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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 14:04:46 GMT -5
For me? Yes.
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Post by atp on Jun 27, 2013 14:14:48 GMT -5
Just thought some more about it...
With the exception of the poor flashback stuff, I love pretty much everything up to and including the part where Faora takes Superman and Lois to Zod.
It's once Superman meets Zod that the movie jumps the shark. Starting with the dream sequence.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 27, 2013 15:19:13 GMT -5
Metallo is right. This has nothing to do with being "unable to let go of STM". I was totally ready for a brand new take and based on the trailers, I was expecting it to be even better than STM. Unfortunately MoS is just not a great movie. I also dont mind the fact that there is so much sci fi in it. Plenty of sci fi movies are also great stories with great characters. If MoS had been as well written as T2 or Aliens, we would not be disappointed. Instead MoS is like Prometheus. Highly promising idea but executed poorly. I actually believe ATP. He's been giving some thoughtful posts on this subject. And he liked the movie way more than I thought he would. I don't think his problems with it have anything to do with it "not being the Reeve films." If that was the case he wouldn't like the stuff he likes on MOS. IMO the flick is just flawed. It's not awful but its not great either. I think the Prometheus comparison is an appropriate one in so many ways. Scott's still a better director than Snyder. That's obvious though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 16:23:41 GMT -5
If you were here for the build up to the film you probably wouldn't. Most of what cropped up in the trailers that wasn't in the Reeve films was criticized or simply 'retarded'. He was pretty negative about it in general (Zimmers soundtrack and the suit aside) so I'm never buying this 'I wanted to love it i thought it might be better than STM' bullshit  |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 27, 2013 16:34:30 GMT -5
There is definitely an incredible buzz you get, just from the fact that you are in the cinema watching a new Superman on the big screen. I can't deny that. The question is, will that euphoria last? It won't. I thought SR was an awesome movie, but slowly came to the realization it was kinda shitty. MoS will have a higher place in Superman lore, but it still didnt hit all the right notes. |
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Post by Keith on Jun 27, 2013 16:39:59 GMT -5
I dint think its possible for any superman movie to hit all the right notes.
The only thing they can do now is improve the things lacking in MoS for the sequel. If that happens we'll get closer to having the perfect Superman movie.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jun 27, 2013 16:47:05 GMT -5
Trust me, when the dust settles and the euphoria wears off, many more people will realise it is disappointing. That's not to say I didn't love certain parts of it. But as a full movie, it is a disappointment. Not crap like the prequels. Just not a great movie. Bang on the money. Insane action (and not nearly as creative as something like the Burly Man fight in Matrix Reloaded) can only carry a film so far in the long run. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 27, 2013 19:00:32 GMT -5
I dint think its possible for any superman movie to hit all the right notes. The only thing they can do now is improve the things lacking in MoS for the sequel. If that happens we'll get closer to having the perfect Superman movie. Put the right people in charge and it can come damn close though. Better people than an aging frat boy and a leech swinging off Nolan's nuts Indy style. They are out there but this time WB went with its safer in house/ on the payroll guns. STM got made because the Salkinds took a very creative chance on a guy who had never directed a Comic book movie WB did the same thing when they made Batman. Donner and Burton (and Nolan) got the big chair because they directed good films that were as far away from the four color comic book gene as you can get. But the producers and studio looked beneath the surface and saw the talent to do something else. And those three men either built or changed the genre. They all set trends instead of following them. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 27, 2013 19:03:09 GMT -5
Trust me, when the dust settles and the euphoria wears off, many more people will realise it is disappointing. That's not to say I didn't love certain parts of it. But as a full movie, it is a disappointment. Not crap like the prequels. Just not a great movie. Bang on the money. Insane action (and not nearly as creative as something like the Burly Man fight in Matrix Reloaded) can only carry a film so far in the long run. I have to agree guys. Once the release hype and excitement fades it'll be interesting to see where this film falls in history. As for the Matrix fights they weren't as big in scale but they were not only ambitious for their time they were also well put together and clicked with the films they were in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 20:07:17 GMT -5
How long do you guys think the fight scenes go on for? They really are not as long or drawnout as some of you are making them out to be. There's a lot of MOS that isn't fighting or shit blowing up.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Jun 27, 2013 20:21:16 GMT -5
I dint think its possible for any superman movie to hit all the right notes. The only thing they can do now is improve the things lacking in MoS for the sequel. If that happens we'll get closer to having the perfect Superman movie. Put the right people in charge and it can come damn close though. Better people than an aging frat boy and a leech swinging off Nolan's nuts Indy style. They are out there but this time WB went with its safer in house/ on the payroll guns. STM got made because the Salkinds took a very creative chance on a guy who had never directed a Comic book movie WB did the same thing when they made Batman. Donner and Burton (and Nolan) got the big chair because they directed good films that were as far away from the four color comic book gene as you can get. But the producers and studio looked beneath the surface and saw the talent to do something else. And those three men either built or changed the genre. They all set trends instead of following them. And believe it or not, this is one of the reasons why Marvel (the studio) has continued success. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 27, 2013 21:01:45 GMT -5
Yup. Their instinct was right on hiring Kenneth Branagh. For some it was an unconventional choice. He's not an action director or a superhero director but he understands DRAMA. That was the key to cracking Thor...which is a LOT harder to pull off than Superman. Dude dresses like a refugee from a pride parade and he spends his time crossing a rainbow bridge. Branaghs understanding of Shakespearian material made him the right fit for Thor and Marvel got that. They looked past the obvious surface stuff and looked at the story elements they needed to pull off. The slighted prince who betrays his father and damns his brother for power? Branagh was the perfect choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 21:09:05 GMT -5
I'm disappointed he's not coming back. He was a terrific choice.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 28, 2013 7:07:46 GMT -5
Ha, I just realized MoS was released on the 30th anniversary of Superman III.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 10:09:07 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 1, 2013 21:33:01 GMT -5
Holy shit! SIII is that close to MOS?  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 2, 2013 11:49:37 GMT -5
Holy shit! SIII is that close to MOS? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A little fun goes a long way. Most people think MOS is a "better" film but a colonoscopy can be good for you too but its not exactly an experience to look forward to. |
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Post by ye5man on Jul 2, 2013 15:17:44 GMT -5
I'd have seen Superman III again for sure by now. MoS, just can't think of me sitting there for nearly 3 hours going through it all again.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Jul 2, 2013 15:26:49 GMT -5
Nearly 3 hours? It's not even 2 and half hours. |
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Post by Shane on Jul 3, 2013 18:48:01 GMT -5
snyder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lester
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 3, 2013 19:52:34 GMT -5
snyder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lester A Hard Day's Night > Sucker Punch Superman II > 300 A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > CGI Owl movie |
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Post by Shane on Jul 3, 2013 20:26:56 GMT -5
Snyder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lester
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Post by Metallo on Jul 3, 2013 20:30:22 GMT -5
I will take the director who made great work WITH great talents of the 60s over the guy who made his career rehashing the work of a great talent of the 60s any day.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 3, 2013 20:44:20 GMT -5
Oh, how we take things for granted.
Lester---despite the slapstick later in the scene---created more drama by showing the danger to the public.
In a way, I'm kinda glad Snyder dropped the ball because it has created newfound respect for what Lester accomplished with the Times Square battle.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 4, 2013 7:17:29 GMT -5
Not that I miss Lester or want him back but when his stuff was good it was really good. And at least he did his own thing. Snyder's right out if the Bay school.
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