Is Superman getting rebooted again?

[EnriqueH]

Everyone talked a big game about a sequel to SR at first, but then that went away gradually and we got a reboot. Especially when the consensus among fans was that it dropped te ball.

Is that going to happen again?

Will Snyder quietly go away?

[crazy_asian_man]

Well, hasn't it outperformed SR already?

Also- if WB is sending out Snyder and Cavill out to comicon after its release- it's got to be a strong sign for a sequel....

[atp]

Before MoS was released there was a lot of hype about how Cavills life was about to change forever blah blah blah.

Did that really happen though?

Has MoS made him into a household name and instant icon the way STM did for Reeve?

[EnriqueH]

It's not the kind of breakthrough performance that I was hoping for that got all the people and magazines talking, such as Daniel Craig and Hugh Jackman.

Oh, and uh, if anyone is keeping score, Ryan Reynolds is due to have two films released this weekend and they're both expected to bomb.

[atp]

That reminds me, did SR ruin Rouths career? Would he have been better off not doing it?

[Metallo]

It didn't make him a major star but SR didn't ruin his career. It still helped him by giving him more visibility than he ever had before when he was a total unknown. He may not have ever gotten the roles he did on Chuck, Zack and Miri, Scott Pilgrim, etc if it wasn't for SR. It gave him some extra recognizability and visibility when he was pretty much just an extra before.

As for Cavill MOS didn't immediately blow up his career the way Iron Man did for RDJ. But maybe it'll be more like Jackman. A big start with more roles to come were people soon learn his name. But as of now I don't know anyone personally that really cares about Cavill. The Superman brand sold MOS. it's always been that way but Cavill wasn't allowed to make the kind of impression Reeve did in the role.

As for a reboot? Nah. MOS didn't light the world on fire but its done well. Just not as well as WB hoped considering how much money they dumped into it. Even if it didn't quite meet expectations and grab the public by the throat like The Matrix or Spider-Man WB still has plans for the future that they will want to build on top of MOS. They'll push ahead with a sequel because there's potentially much more money to be made with future DC movies. WB is desperate for franchises with Potter and the Dark Knight series over.

[Conor]

No reboot. I think had Singer gone straight into SRII then we'd have gotten a sequel and there would be no MOS. Singer doing Valkrie first and the shoot taking longer gave SR time to settle and people realise it's not all it was cracked up to be. WB are probably happy with it though because it made the money they spent on all the failed Superman projects back so MOS is their first in a new series.

[eccentricbeing]

How can Cavill's career explode if the movie has only been out for a month?.............

[Deleted]

I have no clue eccentric, they talk an incredible amount of shit.

we kept hearing about Cavill's life changing blah blah. I believe "we kept hearing" was reference to that one time Russell Crowe said it on twitter, and the movie is still out and he's already got himself another decent role. Between Immortals, MOS and Man from UNCLE he's already done a lot better than Routh.

Was Reeve a household name? Here was me thinking he was type cast as Superman and hardly had a memorable role outside of the character. Cavill did well, he might not shoot to stardom the way RDJ did but then Iron Man was a better written film and no-one had ever seen a great Iron-Man film, where Superman has been largely unpopular in the modern age. Plus RDJ is one of the most charismatic around so there's no shame in failing to meet his high standard.

[eccentricbeing]

Also Robert Downey Jr was a fallen star who got his life together and career resurrected. Different circumstances. Robert Downey Jr was always charming, but the one thing he wasn't was a box office draw. Now, he has that for sure. He's a megastar now. Bigger than Tom Cruise, right now....only except RDJ doesn't take the same roles as Cruise. But like Metallo said, Cavill's career will probably follow Jackman's path and it took Jackman quite a few years to expand his range and become a real actor. On screen, anyway.

[Metallo]

Jul 17, 2013 10:01:19 GMT -5 eccentricbeing said:

How can Cavill's career explode if the movie has only been out for a month?.............

Uhh...that was the point I've made. It's about more than just future jobs hes going to get but we'd know already if Cavill was getting rave reviews and people were talking about him non stop. They aren't. He hasn't. People have said he was good but they aren't raving about him. Whereas with Downey people were saying how amazing he was in Iron Man. Downey was more well know than Cavill but he wasn't a huge star either. I said it would probably be more like Jackman were it took a few more films for people to get to know him. There are other examples of guys who made huge movies and made a big splash.

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I believe he was addressing the chuckle brothers not you tallo

[Metallo]

Jul 17, 2013 10:34:28 GMT -5 @kris said:

I have no clue eccentric, they talk an incredible amount of shit.

we kept hearing about Cavill's life changing blah blah. I believe "we kept hearing" was reference to that one time Russell Crowe said it on twitter, and the movie is still out and he's already got himself another decent role. Between Immortals, MOS and Man from UNCLE he's already done a lot better than Routh.

Was Reeve a household name? Here was me thinking he was type cast as Superman and hardly had a memorable role outside of the character. Cavill did well, he might not shoot to stardom the way RDJ did but then Iron Man was a better written film and no-one had ever seen a great Iron-Man film, where Superman has been largely unpopular in the modern age. Plus RDJ is one of the most charismatic around so there's no shame in failing to meet his high standard.

REEVE HIMSELF turned down a ton of memorable roles. Richard Gere should probably thank Reeve for his career. Superman got him offered a ton of high profile stuff but he wasn't interested. He wanted to be Mr Merchant-Ivory. Not Mr Action Mr Sci Fi or Mr thriller.

As for the immediate impact Reeve made more of one than Cavill because of the novelty of his project and because the material gave him more creative freedom. But Reeve's performance got called more creative even back then with his Kent. That was his choice not the materials to go the young Cary Grant route. Any man who can hang with John Ritter in a face off of physical comedy has some talent beyond typical leading man.

As for Routh...Cavill had a higher profile BEFORE Superman than Routh did. Not exactly a fair comparison there either. And Routh got plenty work directly after SR. problem is most of it didn't make big money. There are plenty of examples of actors taking roles and them being hugely successful in those roles Ann becoming big talk. Look at Craig as Bond. He got much bigger praise than Cavill. Craig had also been around for a whole but he wasn't a well known star. That's not talking shit.

[Metallo]

Jul 17, 2013 11:02:32 GMT -5 @kris said:

I believe he was addressing the chuckle brothers not you tallo

Those guys make a fair point to discuss though. I didn't expect Cavill to be a HUGE star immediately. His performance was good but not great. But there have been actors that knocked it out of the park so hard that they have been the talk of the media and the people. Not totally Cavills fault since he was given some flat direction and not much range in the script. He's a solid actor who deserved to have more to dig into.

[ye5man]

Oh, and uh, if anyone is keeping score, Ryan Reynolds is due to have two films released this weekend and they're both expected to bomb.

Better than Routh then

[Deleted]

Was there any guarantee any of those would have been a huge success with Reeve in place? I'm merely saying he doesn't have many memorable roles outside of Superman, I'm betting if you asked people to name one the majority couldn't.

The bit about there being all this hype of Cavill's life changing dramatically is shit. He'll be more famous than he was for now, he'll be richer, that's it, that's what happens when you land a big role.

Yeah Routh wasn't that well known when he got the part, but then he isn't too well known now and I'd guess that's because he's not quite good enough to merit it. Did Routh get good roles after SR? I must have missed that, or maybe it's because like you say they didn't make any money. I remember Gazer posting up some trailers for some really bad looking comedies and 1 or 2 other things but that's it.

Craig's no doubt a better actor than Cavill, and he was also in a Bond debut film that was overall a much better film than MOS, not to mention he was excellent in Layer Cake which went down well, so that's not much of a comparison either.

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Ryan Reynolds, I'm not a fan. I think he's a decent comedy actor, but they seem determined to push him forward as an action star.

[Metallo]

Jul 17, 2013 11:21:20 GMT -5 ye5man said:

Oh, and uh, if anyone is keeping score, Ryan Reynolds is due to have two films released this weekend and they're both expected to bomb.

Better than Routh then

By sucking in everything he does lately? He's certainly doing that better.

[atp]

Jul 17, 2013 10:01:19 GMT -5 eccentricbeing said:

How can Cavill's career explode if the movie has only been out for a month?.............

It's not a question of his career taking off. It's about the public's reaction and his life changing, the way Rusell Crowe (and everyone interviewing Cavill) claimed it was going to.

I think it would have happened already if it was going to happen. A month is long enough to judge.

STM came out, and the whole world was raving about Reeve pretty much instantly. (I was alive AT the time. I SAW. What audiences thought.) Same thing happened with Daniel Craig and Casino Royale. I wasn't alive in 1962, but I imagine Dr No did the same thing for Sean Connery pretty quick too.

[Metallo]

Jul 17, 2013 11:26:20 GMT -5 @kris said:

Was there any guarantee any of those would have been a huge success with Reeve in place? I'm merely saying he doesn't have many memorable roles outside of Superman, I'm betting if you asked people to name one the majority couldn't.

The bit about there being all this hype of Cavill's life changing dramatically is shit. He'll be more famous than he was for now, he'll be richer, that's it, that's what happens when you land a big role.

Yeah Routh wasn't that well known when he got the part, but then he isn't too well known now and I'd guess that's because he's not quite good enough to merit it. Did Routh get good roles after SR? I must have missed that, or maybe it's because like you say they didn't make any money. I remember Gazer posting up some trailers for some really bad looking comedies and 1 or 2 other things but that's it.

Craig's no doubt a better actor than Cavill, and he was also in a Bond debut film that was overall a much better film than MOS, not to mention he was excellent in Layer Cake which went down well, so that's not much of a comparison either.

That's cause Reeve took often took smaller roles in smaller stuff. How can people name it if it wasnt meant for a broad mainstream audience in the first place? Teenagers aren't going to give a shit about something like Deathtrap or Remains of The Day. More people than you'd think have heard of somewhere in time though.

As for if they would have been hits who knows. But the fact that he didn't even try was Reeves choice. It wasnt because he didn't get offered big roles after Superman. The role earned him offers of other big roles. Some of them classic roles in classic movies.

Craig's a fair comparison because his fame level wasnt that much different than Cavills and they both starred in grittier reboots of beloved film series with pop culture icons. heck Cavill himself tried out for Bond when Craig did and still wants it. As for the disparity in talent that just proves what I was saying. Craig got more talk partly because of what he brought to the role as an actor. Cavill had the lead in a big cgi epic like Immortals so its not like he hasn't had big shots at leading roles before. heck that's more than Reeve had pre Superman.

[Metallo]

Jul 17, 2013 11:42:40 GMT -5 atp said:

Jul 17, 2013 10:01:19 GMT -5 eccentricbeing said:

How can Cavill's career explode if the movie has only been out for a month?.............

It's not a question of his career taking off. It's about the public's reaction and his life changing, the way Rusell Crowe (and everyone interviewing Cavill) claimed it was going to.

I think it would have happened already if it was going to happen. A month is long enough to judge.

STM came out, and the whole world was raving about Reeve pretty much instantly. (I was alive AT the time. I SAW. What audiences thought.) Same thing happened with Daniel Craig and Casino Royale. I wasn't alive in 1962, but I imagine Dr No did the same thing for Sean Connery pretty quick too.

ATP was IN the world. He SAW what the people did.

[atp]

Some more examples of instantly life-changing roles are Kate Winslett and Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic and Russell Crowe in Gladiator.

Did MoS achieve this for anyone?

[Deleted]

Yeah, but he hardly has a memorable role outside of Superman at the end of the da, and as to how successful other films would have been with him in the lead role. That's all if's and buts.

Reeve did have an advantage of a better film, better director and the fact he was the first to play such a character in a big budget movie too. Let's not pretend that doesn't make a difference.

Cavill and Craig, I'm not seeing that atall. Was Imortals an epic? I hardly knew about it till it was in cinemas! And by all means it's not a great film, Layer cake is, Craig had some good roles and much more experience, so again I'm not seeing how it's a fair comparison when he's already made his name in some excellent films. Also factor in he was playing the much loved James Bond whereas Cavill took on the role of Superman, a guy people were pretty much sick of after SR.

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Jul 17, 2013 11:55:55 GMT -5 atp said:

Some more examples of instantly life-changing roles are Kate Winslett and Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic and Russell Crowe in Gladiator.

Did MoS achieve this for anyone?

Those guys have had careers more successful and with much more acclaim than Reeve or Kidder. Just thought I'd point that out.

Also MOS was a Zack Snyder directed comic book film, it's not exactly the same type of thing as Titanic or Gladiator. Crowe had been in a couple of very good films before Gladiator too, and he is one of the best in the industry anyway.

[atp]

So, are you saying that Russell Crowe's life didn't instantly change dramatically because of Gladiator?

And Leonardo DiCaprio's life didn't instantly change dramatically because of Titanic?