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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 22, 2013 23:57:10 GMT -5
Ben Affleck seems like a great guy from all the interviews I've seen....
But...
He wasn't Daredevil, he did the best he could- but I couldn't help but see Ben Affleck rather than Matt Murdock throughout the film.
Now- Batman?
If it wasn't going to be Bale nor Gordon Levitt, then I would have rather it be a relative unknown, but, I'm surprised that so many here feel fine with Affleck, but it's all preference...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 1:36:48 GMT -5
It's because we're all getting old and complacent. Pretty soon, we'll be living in a gated community, eating Jell-O, and watching Wheel of Fortune.
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Post by ye5man on Aug 23, 2013 4:07:16 GMT -5
Oh look its Robert Redford Ben Affleck in tights
Eh, I'll still watch it.
Expectations are fucking low but that's not a bad thing.
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 23, 2013 5:19:18 GMT -5
Affleck as Batman=Instant Fail, according to social media. Check out this article. Scathing. Twitter's dark night: www.imdb.com/news/ni56088681/I have reservations because the Nolan trilogy just ended and would've loved to have Bale back, but I think Affleck will be good. It's like that last dude in the article said: the guy has been building his career back up, wins an Oscar but then gets cast as Batman and suddenly he's Gigli again. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 6:06:22 GMT -5
I couldn't give a shit what any of these Nolan bandwagoners have to say, half of them had no interest in these types of film before TDK craze anyway. I'm delighted we've seen the back of his version of Batman.fghl'
I'm all for something new, I'll give Affleck a chance. He deserves that at least
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Post by theoj on Aug 23, 2013 6:13:16 GMT -5
Affleck has huge respect in Hollywood now after Argo won the best picture Oscar and he made a very heartfelt speech. He is also seen as one of the the best and most promising A list directors out there now. But what is he doing taking on a Batman role when he should be focusing on his next big directorial project?
The answer is WB are paying him $20 million (or half of what Bale wanted) and will only need him for 6 weeks or less. It's a big name drop now but Batman is sure to only appear in the film for 20 minutes or so.
Well that's what I hope, because I will be seriously pissed off if they give Superman and Batman 50/50 screen time when we all just want Superman in his own sequel without interference from anyone else!
Though the 2017 Justice League movie does sound exciting. But Superman deserves his own sequel first.
Anyway still very excited about this, but mostly because I want to see more of Cavill and surely Snyder and Affleck too will agree that this is Superman's film and they should allow Cavill to take the limelight and give his Clark some great lines and chemistry with Lois and give Superman some real heroic and respectful action scenes where he's not flying through buildings and letting people get hurt!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 6:41:48 GMT -5
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Post by ye5man on Aug 23, 2013 6:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by anivader on Aug 23, 2013 7:38:26 GMT -5
Affleck's not the batman you want, he's the batman you deserve for liking mos...
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Aug 23, 2013 7:45:25 GMT -5
Batman Producer Michael Uslan says...
Remember when...
Michael Keaton was announced as Batman...
Heath Ledger was announced as The Joker...
Anne Hathaway was announced as Cat-Woman...?
What controversies! What great debates ensued!
And then remember when they made those roles theirs?
Fasten your seat belts! Once more, an amazing ride is about to begin!
I say....
Remember when...
Shaq was cast as Steel?
Topher Grace was cast as Venom?
Stallone was cast as Dredd?
Oscar winner Hallie Berry as Catwoman?
and...
Ben Affleck was cast as Daredevil?
Look, I'm being cheeky. Non of those reasons are a good reason to not sit back and see what Affleck does with the role. But I'm really sick of every time an odd choice comes out people always bring up
they "LOOK AT WHAT KEATON DID" example. There are just as many (if not more) examples of odd casting not working out. Affleck is a solid actor and deserves his shot, but not because Keaton brought it back
in 89, he deserves it because he's a proven professional.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 23, 2013 7:48:54 GMT -5
Or perhaps Cavill will up his game. Why so negative? Cavill's already more successful than Routh and now he's got a sequel which is no doubt going to be huge. I can't see him fading into the shadows just yet. WB wants Avengers money. MOS was never going to be scrapped because of them wanting a cinematic universe no matter how good or bad it did. Cavill was also very lucky with time and circumstances. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 7:49:51 GMT -5
Give us a break eh
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Post by Metallo on Aug 23, 2013 8:02:56 GMT -5
I like Affleck but...he just seems wrong for this. Too well known, a big a name, too old and we all saw his Daredevil. I thought he was miscast but still surprisingly ok. He was also the new Jack Ryan and well...that series died for a long time too. Daredevil wasnt his fault and maybe with a great director and writer he could be a great Batman. But Snyder and Goyer aren't great writers or directors. After Daredevil he said he was through with superhero roles and he seems too average Joe to be Bruce Wayne. One of the same problems Clooney had in the role.
He was only passable as Daredevil and fans will be on his ass if he doesn't pull this one off. Plus he seemed content directing. They clearly offered him a shitload of money. It just shows desperation to me in that they are determined to do everything they can to make billions. This movie doesn't need big names yet they went with one. Is he really going to sign up to play Batman for the next ten years or so? Will there even be solo Batman movies? That's the thing. They went older so what kind of longevity will he have in the role? I think he's actually the oldest guy ever cast for a first time run as Batman. I'll give Affleck a shot but its obvious why they were so hard up to get him like Kris said. This movie doesn't need a big name actor as Batman but WBs reasoning seems clouded. At least Affleck has the height and the chin for it. But otherwise...Im iffy on it all.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 23, 2013 8:06:35 GMT -5
Batman Producer Michael Uslan says... Remember when...
Michael Keaton was announced as Batman...
Heath Ledger was announced as The Joker...
Anne Hathaway was announced as Cat-Woman...?
What controversies! What great debates ensued!
And then remember when they made those roles theirs?
Fasten your seat belts! Once more, an amazing ride is about to begin! I say.... Remember when... Shaq was cast as Steel? Topher Grace was cast as Venom? Stallone was cast as Dredd? Oscar winner Hallie Berry as Catwoman? and... Ben Affleck was cast as Daredevil? Look, I'm being cheeky. Non of those reasons are a good reason to not sit back and see what Affleck does with the role. But I'm really sick of every time an odd choice comes out people always bring up they "LOOK AT WHAT KEATON DID" example. There are just as many (if not more) examples of odd casting not working out. Affleck is a solid actor and deserves his shot, but not because Keaton brought it back in 89, he deserves it because he's a proven professional. It depends on the work behind he scenes. Josh Brolin could have been an AMAZING Jonah Hex but...he wasnt. Everyone thought Clooney would be a good Batman but...he wasn't. Halle Berry as Storm and Catwoman! Give her a chance. We did and...well... |
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Post by Keith on Aug 23, 2013 8:48:59 GMT -5
I've thought a bit about it and Affleck I think will do good as Batman, as long as he doesn't act like Affleck like he does in some movies. Argo was awesome and he was awesome in that, so I'm thinking he'll be good.. now it's up to Snyder to help pull that awesome performance outta Ben, that is what I'm a bit nervous about...
Ok, now that the casting is done.. I wanna see the costume ideas... please no more molded rubber or hockey pads for a costume. Use the same type of fabric they used for Superman costume, whatever.. I want to see a cool functional fabric costume that's not all black (Grey/Really Dark Blue).. that's all I want, and also.. a Batman that can completely turn his head. Just make the Batman Arkham costume a reality.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 23, 2013 8:59:48 GMT -5
At the very least they should go closer to the Arkham games. Even one of those porn parodies did that and it looked more like Batman than any of the real movie suits.
I think this just helps prove Snyder is WBs hired gun. He has no major power when it comes to big decisions. He's doing what they say. We know he didn't want the sequel to be this and I just find it hard to believe that Affleck was his choice. He was WBs choice.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Aug 23, 2013 9:06:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't doubt it if part of Affleck's contract allows him to direct a future Batman film...
I'm not worried about Affleck's performance, Affleck has gained skills as a solid director (of movies he has acted in as well), he won't need much help from Synder in the coaching department. I'm interested to see his take on Batman, because IMO it's
going to take some work for him to break out of people seeing him as Batman as not just Ben Affleck playing Batman.
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Post by atp on Aug 23, 2013 9:45:00 GMT -5
Affleck should direct and Snyder can be Batman.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 9:49:33 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Aug 23, 2013 10:07:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't doubt it if part of Affleck's contract allows him to direct a future Batman film... I'm not worried about Affleck's performance, Affleck has gained skills as a solid director (of movies he has acted in as well), he won't need much help from Synder in the coaching department. I'm interested to see his take on Batman, because IMO it's going to take some work for him to break out of people seeing him as Batman as not just Ben Affleck playing Batman. And what about Goyers script? That's been the bane of many a film. Even Affleck has to have decent material to work with. I don't think he's the worst choice but he's a really corporate one. Arguably the biggest name to ever put on the suit (and the oldest). Like you said its hard to imagine someone that famous disappearing into the role unless they really knock it out if the park. I had the same thought as you. What if they offered Affleck a prime directing gig to sweeten the pot so he'd agree to take on Batman? It doesn't even necessarily have to be a Batman movie. It could be anything he wants. They could be funding a dream project he wants to make. Afflecks good at playing certain things but this is a very particular kind of role. It's not your standard drama fare. Just seems like WB Is doing everything they can in their own corporate utterly formulaic way to make sure this movie makes tons of money instead of the more important stuff that would help it make money anyway. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 23, 2013 10:13:34 GMT -5
 The odd thing to me is: Snyder made some very interesting casting choices for MOS that I questioned at first, but thought were fantastic at the end. Makes me wonder: If Snyder was fine getting a semi-unknown for Superman- then was it pressure under WB to get a 'name' for Batman? Ever since Donner cast Chris Reeve, I think it's set a precedent for how much it adds if you do cast a relative unknown for a superhero part. Just as Donner made the argument that Robert Redford (at the time) might have made a great Superman, he also said that audiences would look at the screen and think, "That's Robert Redford in tights". Keaton played Batman/Bruce Wayne seriously (which I think many were worried about- coming off of his comedies)- and it worked (more/less).... but I haven't run into that many people that feel Keaton playing Batman = Reeve cast as Superman, nor Jackman (except for his damn being too tall) = Wolverine. The main thing I enjoyed from watching MOS was relative unknown Cavill cast as Superman. If it's a superhero film, I generally give it a chance..... Superman vs. Batman will have giant production values worth checking out and I'm curious enough.... but outside of the fame factor, I just see Affleck (and Nicholas Cage for that matter) more as an 'everyman' actor. (Which appeals in different roles) I don't think either or them as exceptionally good looking or have that unique charisma that lets me identify them as one of the characters in the comics I grew up with. I'm sure he'll give it his all, and it may work in a Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, or George Clooney sort of way. Anyhow- That's my two cents. They'll still get my money, but if they're going back to actors who played superheroes before, (why they feel the need to, who knows? They might as well have cast Ryan Reynolds again as Batman)..... then get Routh back for any Superman film that Cavill doesn't want to do, then....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 23, 2013 10:19:10 GMT -5
I'm not worried either. I'll be more concerned about the script and the rest of it.
(Eh... I'll still see it on the bigscreen, who am I kidding?)
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 23, 2013 10:40:26 GMT -5
Nice post, CAM.
A couple of things:
1. "Oh, but look at Keaton." Keaton sucked in the first one, and ok, he was good in the second, but I agree with CAM. Keaton simply doesn't equal Reeve, Jackman, McGuire, McKellan, or Bale.
2. Ok, there are a couple of actors who we thought were miscast that ended up being awesome. We're forgetting one monumentally important detail: Look who's directing. As I said before, I enjoyed Dawn of the Dead and 300, but everything Snyder has done since has been disappointing. He's proven he doesn't know how to emotionally engage his audience. And I see nothing in his directing ability that will convince me he will enhance an actor's performance.
3. That being said, I like Affleck as an actor. If I remember correctly, I think I've enjoyed him in everything, including Daredevil. Do I have trouble imagining him as a tough as nails Batman? I have to admit, much as I support giving him a chance, I do have trouble imaginging him having the stature or even the voice. I'm not saying he needs to do the Eastwood thing, but his voice doesn't have that grizzled, badass tone.
Hopefully, this will be a Daniel Craig type thing. I really admire the way Affleck has refurbished his career path and would hate to see him lose that.
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 23, 2013 10:44:31 GMT -5
Batman Producer Michael Uslan says... Remember when...
Michael Keaton was announced as Batman...
Heath Ledger was announced as The Joker...
Anne Hathaway was announced as Cat-Woman...?
What controversies! What great debates ensued!
And then remember when they made those roles theirs?
Fasten your seat belts! Once more, an amazing ride is about to begin! I say.... Remember when... Shaq was cast as Steel? Topher Grace was cast as Venom? Stallone was cast as Dredd? Oscar winner Hallie Berry as Catwoman? and... Ben Affleck was cast as Daredevil? Look, I'm being cheeky. Non of those reasons are a good reason to not sit back and see what Affleck does with the role. But I'm really sick of every time an odd choice comes out people always bring up they "LOOK AT WHAT KEATON DID" example. There are just as many (if not more) examples of odd casting not working out. Affleck is a solid actor and deserves his shot, but not because Keaton brought it back in 89, he deserves it because he's a proven professional. I liked Stallone as Dredd, but the script and direction didn't help him. I also liked Affleck as Daredevil. And like I said: Yeah, Ledger and Hathaway were good, but look who was directing them... Snyder isn't anywhere near as good directing actors as Nolan is. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 23, 2013 10:44:58 GMT -5
One thing I HOPE is nice about Ben Affleck as Batman... We won't have a Batman that sounds like he has a sore throat---- MAYBE. (Or will Snyder/Nolan want Affleck to imitate Bale and have that throaty voice thing again?)  |
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