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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 22, 2013 16:53:27 GMT -5
Dalton was controversial among some Bond fans in his first Bond outing.
So who gave a more impressive debut?
Dalton as Bond in The Living Daylights or Cavill as Superman in MOS?
Both movies started well, but got sidetracked later in the film.
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 22, 2013 16:58:26 GMT -5
Overall, I prefer Dalton's Bond to Cavill's Superman. But when it comes to their debut, then Cavill gets the edge. I love Cavill in the role before the 3rd act. It seemed like Dalton (and the writers) were still trying to find his way in TLD the whole movie. Though I'd say for both, they each start off really well, and both roles fizzle out near the end. Dalton in LTK puts him over the top though. He also didn't have to share his sequel with the Man from U.N.C.L.E.  |
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 22, 2013 17:03:48 GMT -5
Interesting post.
For me, Dalton was perfect during the Koscov defection.
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 22, 2013 17:16:50 GMT -5
The teaser, the defection, the "Death to Spies" thing, the recapture of Koskov, the car chase, John Rhys-Davies, all great. The movie loses its way after Whitaker is introduced and Bond is screwing around in Afghanistan.
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 22, 2013 17:19:40 GMT -5
Agreed.
Except I thought the showdown with Andreas kinda-slightly made up for that messy sequence.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2013 21:30:27 GMT -5
Dalton. Easily. Some people say he was too serious but at least he brought some depth the the characters personality and he was just as better actor. The guy just had more range. Just look at him in Flash Gordon. He knew how to play it on that kind of movie. I love it in LD when Koscov is spilling his secrets and Dalton lights up a cigarette, gives a look, and literally blows smoke. Somewhat subtle yet hilarious.
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Post by ye5man on Sept 23, 2013 4:55:19 GMT -5
I can't vote here until I've seen MoS one more time but Mos is the TLD of the series? Interesting idea. Especially when you think both film's predecessors were a crushing disappointment.
Maybe, like Dalton, people will appreciate MoS over time.
Reeve was Connery, Dean Cain's goofiness is Roger Moore, "One shot and I blew it" Routh is Lazenby and Cav is Dalton.
Pity the poor fucker who will be Brosnan.
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Post by atp on Sept 23, 2013 6:22:34 GMT -5
I can't vote here until I've seen MoS one more time but Mos is the TLD of the series? Interesting idea. Especially when you think both film's predecessors were a crushing disappointment. Maybe, like Dalton, people will appreciate MoS over time. Reeve was Connery, Dean Cain's goofiness is Roger Moore, " One shot and I blew it" Routh is Lazenby and Cav is Dalton. Pity the poor fucker who will be Brosnan. Well, DAD had a crap story, ridiculous CGI action, and ended with an aerial battle against a genetically created guy in a retarded battle suit. So maybe Cavill is already Brosnan? |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2013 6:59:10 GMT -5
I can't vote here until I've seen MoS one more time but Mos is the TLD of the series? Interesting idea. Especially when you think both film's predecessors were a crushing disappointment. Maybe, like Dalton, people will appreciate MoS over time. Reeve was Connery, Dean Cain's goofiness is Roger Moore, " One shot and I blew it" Routh is Lazenby and Cav is Dalton. Pity the poor fucker who will be Brosnan. ATP might be right. Aside from quality of debut film Cavill might be closer to Brosnan (except Brosnan was much better). Like Brosnan his looks are a regular topic. I don't really see much in MOS to gain appreciation over time either in performances or the other parts of the film. What's good is plain to see and so is the bad. Even Dalton's Bond flicks had a bit more to them that would gain appreciation. Most of the guff he got was because it was such a radically different departure from the Moore style. Cavills style was stiff and boring and if anything CLOSER to Rouths. MOSs faults lie in just how stupid and loud and video gamie it is. Half the people who saw MOS kept thinking they saw Christopher Reeve when "Superman" took down the machine over the ocean. What's that say about Cavill? None of the Bonds ever had that problem of being mistaken physically for the others. Not even Lazenby. |
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Post by atp on Sept 23, 2013 7:28:45 GMT -5
Brosnan also had a beard in DAD
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Post by ye5man on Sept 23, 2013 8:45:06 GMT -5
I wonder if Jinx thought Brosnan was "Kind of hot"?
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2013 9:01:59 GMT -5
Well they did go "down together." Ugh.
MOS certainly had the ridiculous excess of the worst parts of the Brosnan era. The Bros actually had some charm though.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Sept 23, 2013 9:16:32 GMT -5
Half the people who saw MOS kept thinking they saw Christopher Reeve when "Superman" took down the machine over the ocean. What's that say about Cavill? None of the Bonds ever had that problem of being mistaken physically for the others. Not even Lazenby. Oh come on now, really? You're going to consider that a valid point and check that on the "MOS/Henry Cavill Weaknesses" list? That seems incredibly inconsequential. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2013 10:13:29 GMT -5
Half the people who saw MOS kept thinking they saw Christopher Reeve when "Superman" took down the machine over the ocean. What's that say about Cavill? None of the Bonds ever had that problem of being mistaken physically for the others. Not even Lazenby. Oh come on now, really? You're going to consider that a valid point and check that on the "MOS/Henry Cavill Weaknesses" list? That seems incredibly inconsequential. That Cavill might have gotten to make so little of an impression that people had "the other guy" on their minds when he wasn't even in the movie? Maybe. But I just asked the question. God forbid. If Cavills as great an actor as people say he is why didn't he infuse the role with something more? |
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 23, 2013 10:30:33 GMT -5
I've only seen Cavill in MOS and wasn't that impressed.
Are there other movies of his that I should watch?
Has he succeeded in any other roles?
Maybe he's really good and Snyder didn't direct him effectively?
What other good roles or performances can I watch?
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2013 10:37:56 GMT -5
I tried watching Immortals because a bunch of people here were saying he was pretty good and it showed he'd be a good Superman. I wasn't all that impressed. A friend of mine called it "bland foreign guy" syndrome. I've seen him in other stuff but some of it was shit so I really won't hold some of those against him. Maybe we will really find out when Man From UNCLE comes out.
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Post by atp on Sept 23, 2013 11:01:57 GMT -5
Cavill in MoS = Hugh Grant + curly hair + muscles + USA accent
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 23, 2013 11:14:25 GMT -5
ATP, do you Cavill would make a better Bond than Dalton?
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Post by atp on Sept 23, 2013 11:23:45 GMT -5
ATP, do you Cavill would make a better Bond than Dalton? No. Nobody could. |
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Post by eccentricbeing on Sept 23, 2013 13:15:01 GMT -5
Oh come on now, really? You're going to consider that a valid point and check that on the "MOS/Henry Cavill Weaknesses" list? That seems incredibly inconsequential. That Cavill might have gotten to make so little of an impression that people had "the other guy" on their minds when he wasn't even in the movie? Maybe. But I just asked the question. God forbid. If Cavills as great an actor as people say he is why didn't he infuse the role with something more? It has nothing to do with his acting. God forbid if someone resembled someone on screen. You're reaching for the moon. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2013 14:05:34 GMT -5
Sure it has something to do with his acting. just what kind of impression did he make in the role? Maybe it's because he had a weak director or maybe it's because he's a charisma void. Or maybe it was both. But if he'd owned the part maybe fewer people would have had this idea that they digitally mapped one of his predecessors faces on top of his. Why were people thinking about Christopher Reeve in the first place when they should have been thinking about the star of the movie?
You're once again reaching to unbunch your panties because you don't like what you read.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Sept 23, 2013 16:54:25 GMT -5
Dude lol...it's a dumb argument. I'm just calling it out, that's all. The fact that you're elaborating it makes it even dumber. I don't care about anyone's opinion on the movie, so I'm going commando in those regards.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2013 18:26:41 GMT -5
I didn't realize you were the end all be all deciding factor. How's it a dumb argument that when during a pivotal point in the movie people were imagining they CGIed Christopher Reeve's face over Cavills? Why we're they thinking of Reeve at all? This flick has nothing to do with him. This was supposed to be a huge part of the movie were nu Superman saves earth and establishes him as its hero. By That point Cavill should have had people invested in him enough that they were focused on him.
My gosh what I just said is sooo elaborate. acting and storytelling...so overly elaborate.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Sept 23, 2013 23:54:17 GMT -5
Cool story bro.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 11:11:36 GMT -5
Half the people who saw MOS kept thinking they saw Christopher Reeve when "Superman" took down the machine over the ocean. What's that say about Cavill? None of the Bonds ever had that problem of being mistaken physically for the others. Not even Lazenby. Oh come on now, really? You're going to consider that a valid point and check that on the "MOS/Henry Cavill Weaknesses" list? That seems incredibly inconsequential. I wouldnt even take that guff seriously. They get more pathetic with every post |
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