SyFy's Krypton - season two trailer

[Metallo]

www.darkhorizons.com/syfy-picks-up-krypton-happy-to-series/





I thought this was supposed to be set in the DCEU. The El family crest looks similar but not exactly the same. This looks so hammy tonally speaking. Somebody lock David Goyer up for crimes against good taste.

The effects look good for a tv budget and fits in decently enough with the MOS asthetic (if that's what it's going for) but they're clearly just aping Game of Thrones with a sh*tty syfy twist. I'll give the pilot a chance if this ever airs or gets ordered to series. Maybe it'll surprise me but with Goyer developing it I doubt it.

[booshman]

Be nice if we could just get a Superman show one day. Not a show only focused on building up to Superman, or the story of the ancestors of Superman, or a comedy drama more focused on the alter ego of Superman, or a preachy teen drama about his cousin but occasionally featuring Superman.

[Metallo]

Haven't had a straight up Superman show for almost 60 years. Haven't had one for Batman in almost 50 years. It's been either a show about Batman before he was Batman or a show about Batmans kid after he quits.

[crazy_asian_man]

Apr 19, 2017 3:04:30 GMT -5 booshman said:

Be nice if we could just get a Superman show one day. Not a show only focused on building up to Superman, or the story of the ancestors of Superman, or a comedy drama more focused on the alter ego of Superman, or a preachy teen drama about his cousin but occasionally featuring Superman.

ABSOLUTELY.
Enjoyed bits and pieces of the 'sortof' Superman shows, but the closest thing I think we're getting (in spirit) is probably Berlianti's Supergirl show.
(Though even then, there are things I have issues with)

In my own perfect (imaginary) world, I'd have it run for a limited run like Game of Thrones- 6-7 years, carefully outlined and hitting all of the major bits that fans have always waited to see- then ending the last season with an adaptation of either Kingdom Come or Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow".

Otherwise, I could see it hitting a point where creatively it gets stuck like the comics did at one point (Lois/Supes' marriage) and just stay in neutral.
For an ideal Superman series, I'd like to see time progress with the characters- just like it did with series like Star Trek: Next Generation perhaps as a model.

Progressing Superman's personal story in SR by having him become a parent I thought was daring and well executed... but it made it become a cliffhanger that never really got resolved.

[crazy_asian_man]

Apr 18, 2017 18:21:14 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I thought this was supposed to be set in the DCEU. The El family crest looks similar but not exactly the same. This looks so hammy tonally speaking. Somebody lock David Goyer up for crimes against good taste.

The effects look good for a tv budget and fits in decently enough with the MOS asthetic (if that's what it's going for) but they're clearly just aping Game of Thrones with a sh*tty syfy twist. I'll give the pilot a chance if this ever airs or gets ordered to series. Maybe it'll surprise me but with Goyer developing it I doubt it.

I agree.
I think I probably think higher of Goyer than you, in that I do think he has good ideas- but as a showrunner, Blade was dour and depressing most of the time.
I definitely was not impressed- If he's the showrunner and writer of this pilot, I'm hoping for the best, but not expecting much to be honest, with this trailer.

[Metallo]

www.darkhorizons.com/syfy-picks-up-krypton-happy-to-series/

Hopefully someone rewrote Goyers crap dialogue for the pilot. At least they were smart enough to get this on syfy where its got a chance of lasting a few seasons and not NBC where Constantine got canned. .

[crazy_asian_man]

May 11, 2017 20:47:32 GMT -5 Metallo said:

www.darkhorizons.com/syfy-picks-up-krypton-happy-to-series/

Hopefully someone rewrote Goyers crap dialogue for the pilot. At least they were smart enough to get this on syfy where its got a chance of lasting a few seasons and not NBC where Constantine got canned. .

I'd feel better if Goyer was doing a Batman tv series over Superman, but....

Anyhow- Goyer isn't listed as the showrunner, so there's hope automatically there....

[Metallo]

But he set the premise and wrote the pilot. Someone else will do the day to day work so maybe it'll be better as the show goes on but my fear isn't flaws built into it. Goyer seems to fail upward. No wonder DC's output is so mixed.

[crazy_asian_man]

True.... but what gives me hope is how Enterprise was a pretty poor show, but when Manny Coto took over as showrunner, it became amazing- so there is hope.

[stargazer0118]

I'm very excited about this show. I really liked the trailer. Hope it's a solid sci-fi show. I see lots of potential. 

[Metallo]

May 12, 2017 20:00:04 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

True.... but what gives me hope is how Enterprise was a pretty poor show, but when Manny Coto took over as showrunner, it became amazing- so there is hope.

Enterprises and this both suffer the same problem most prequels do but at least with enterprise those characters weren't directly connected to the iconic ones that show up later the way the leads in Krypton are so they had some freedom to do what they wanted. They obviously can't kill Jor-Els grandfather.

I always thought Enterprise had a lot of potential since they dealt with an interesting time in Federation/Star Trek history that had never been explored. It was just held back by poor execution.

With Krypton...while fans have wanted to see more of the planets way of life, society, technology, etc. I've never heard most people clamor to see the story of how Jor Els Grandpa and Zods grandma first started boning. This just feels like Gotham and Smallville all over again. All of them are stories that never needed to be told and telling them kills the mistique. It hardly ever works out and we end up with not everyone being satisfied and a show/movie bloated with useless filler.

Hm...this gives me an idea for a topic.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 13, 2017 12:32:17 GMT -5 Metallo said:

May 12, 2017 20:00:04 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

True.... but what gives me hope is how Enterprise was a pretty poor show, but when Manny Coto took over as showrunner, it became amazing- so there is hope.

Enterprises and this both suffer the same problem most prequels do but at least with enterprise those characters weren't directly connected to the iconic ones that show up later the way the leads in Krypton are so they had some freedom to do what they wanted. They obviously can't kill Jor-Els grandfather.

I always thought Enterprise had a lot of potential since they dealt with an interesting time in Federation/Star Trek history that had never been explored. It was just held back by poor execution.

With Krypton...while fans have wanted to see more of the planets way of life, society, technology, etc. I've never heard most people clamor to see the story of how Jor Els Grandpa and Zods grandma first started boning. This just feels like Gotham and Smallville all over again. All of them are stories that never needed to be told and telling them kills the mistique. It hardly ever works out and we end up with not everyone being satisfied and a show/movie bloated with useless filler.

Hm...this gives me an idea for a topic.

I don't know if you checked out seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise- as long as you avoid the Brannon Braga episodes (or the ones having to resolve Braga episodes)- they're pretty tight and made me feel that Manny Coto= Ronald D. Moore. (High praise for me)

I'm willing to give Krypton a chance, plus it usually takes a few episodes to land on its feet, anyhow.
What I always wonder is how much freedom is given something related to Superman- for Smallville, I've read interviews with writers on that show that might have done 'x' or 'y', but weren't allowed to because of studio or network restraints.

So- will see. So far out of all the superhero tv shows, I think Supergirl and Flash have hit the 'sweet spot' more often than not of being faithful to the comics' versions and doing their own thing. Still not quite on the level of the best of the Trek shows, but compared to the DC features (outside of the first two Nolan Batman films)- you're right, they 'get' it.

[Metallo]

I watched it almost all the way through. Season 3 was an improvement and had some interesting concepts with the temporal Cold War and the xindi attack in earth but I still think it didn't quite come together. Season 4 was excellent though. As solid as your standard good episodes of TNG and ds9 and felt like true Trek. So good that I was annoyed that the show was cancelled just when it got good. Then Bragga undid a lot of good with the crappy finale.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 15, 2017 19:37:26 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I watched it almost all the way through. Season 3 was an improvement and had some interesting concepts with the temporal Cold War and the xindi attack in earth but I still think it didn't quite come together. Season 4 was excellent though. As solid as your standard good episodes of TNG and ds9 and felt like true Trek. So good that I was annoyed that the show was cancelled just when it got good. Then Bragga undid a lot of good with the crappy finale.

Manny Coto was a genuine fanboy- and talked about many of his plans to give backstory and reconnect with many of the original series elements.
He had a lot set up for season 5 and moaned, "If only we had one more season". I wish they did- you're totally right- just when it was REALLY getting good, it got cancelled.

Still- there's a good chunk of TNG and DS9 (and even some VOYAGER) that was/were amazing, I guess lucky to have that.

[Metallo]

The Abramsverse has helped me re-evaluate and appreciate the better episodes of Voyager and Enterprise. Despite what critics say both shows presented some good ones. NuTrek has made some boneheaded decisions both of those shows would have been ripped apart for if they'd done it.

I wish CBS and the Discovery team could have figured out how to work with the Axanar team. Axanar had some really good ideas and I was looking forward to seeing Gary Graham back as Soval. Felt more legitimate compared to Discovery recasting characters like Sarek. Obviously they couldn't use Mark Lenard but other actors played a younger Sarek and could have been used.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 16, 2017 14:37:40 GMT -5 Metallo said:

The Abramsverse had helped me re-evaluate and appreciate the better episodes of Voyager and Enterprise. Despite what critics say both shows presented some good episodes. NuTrek has made some boneheaded decisions both of those shows would have been ripped apart for if they'd done it.

I wish CBS and the Discovery team could have figured out how to work with the Axanar team. Axanar had some really good ideas and I was looking forward to seeing Gary Graham back as Soval. Felt more legitimate compared to Discovery recasting characters like Sarek. Obviously they couldn't use Mark Lenard but other actors played a younger Sarek and could have been used.

Is Discovery moving forward? I heard it was frozen in its tracks.

[Metallo]

It's moving forward. It's just had a lot of behind the scenes problems. They've set a tentetive premiere date. Also just released the first official photo.

[booshman]

Never seen anything like that before.

[Metallo]

I think everyone noticed that one. And it's true.

[crazy_asian_man]

Production value-wise, it looks great.
Not crazy about the trailer (looks like just a couple of scenes out of context) at all, but I have much much more hope for this than the Trek movies, with Bryan Fuller's and Nick Meyer's names attached to part of it.

[Metallo]

May 18, 2017 13:52:41 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Production value-wise, it looks great.
Not crazy about the trailer (looks like just a couple of scenes out of context) at all, but I have much much more hope for this than the Trek movies, with Bryan Fuller's and Nick Meyer's names attached to part of it.

See if you can find the Netflix trailer. I've read it's much better put together. Im still not sold on this though. Fullers long gone and I think them hiring Meyer will turn out the same way those GI Joe Movies hiring Larry Hama turned out. It also reminds me of Disney Star Wars bringing in Larry Kasdan. Just seems like it's to hype up the long time fans but there's no guarentee they'll listen to his suggestions.

and let's not forget Akiva Goldsmans involvement.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 18, 2017 14:02:46 GMT -5 Metallo said:

May 18, 2017 13:52:41 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Production value-wise, it looks great.
Not crazy about the trailer (looks like just a couple of scenes out of context) at all, but I have much much more hope for this than the Trek movies, with Bryan Fuller's and Nick Meyer's names attached to part of it.

See if you can find the Netflix trailer. I've read it's much better put together. Im still not sold on this though. Fullers long gone and I think them hiring Meyer will turn out the same way those GI Joe Movies hiring Larry Hama turned out. It also reminds me of Disney Star Wars bringing in Larry Kasdan. Just seems like it's to hype up the long time fans but there's no guarentee they'll listen to his suggestions.

and let's not forget Akiva Goldsmans involvement.

Well... hoping it turns out good. With the movies, it's a great cast, but after the second one- it doesn't feel epic nor like you're getting that much out of the characters in these new Trek films- with a tv show, hopefully there's more time to breathe for the characters--- but, who knows who's in charge of the show now?

I'd like to think there's still a possibility for "good" Trek in the future somehow, but.... will see.

[Metallo]

They waited too long after the first movie. And with that four year gap the results were even more disappointing. I didn't care for Star Trek 09 but even I'll admit I can see why others enjoyed it. It was fun and differenf. They should have gotten the sequel out in 2011 instead of dragging their feet. Strike while the iron is hot and all that.

Into Darkness was absurd in its big twist and overall execution. It made money but much like Xmen Origins it left a bad taste and turned people off another sequel. That combined with Beyonds poor marketing meant that film didn't have much of a chance.

Trek can definitely be good again but they need talent like Fuller and not just any old schlocky schmoes. Instead they've been going for style over substance or trying to make Trek like Star Wars or GOTG or Fast and the Furious in a desperate bid to make a billion dollars at the box office. Trek should do what it does best. Not try to copy Anything else on film or tv.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 19, 2017 8:34:08 GMT -5 Metallo said:

They waited too long after the first movie. And with that four year gap the results were even more disappointing. I didn't care for Star Trek 09 but even I'll admit I can see why others enjoyed it. It was fun and differenf. They should have gotten the sequel out in 2011 instead of dragging their feet. Strike while the iron is hot and all that.

Into Darkness was absurd in its big twist and overall execution. It made money but much like Xmen Origins it left a bad taste and turned people off another sequel. That combined with Beyonds poor marketing meant that film didn't have much of a chance.

Trek can definitely be good again but they need talent like Fuller and not just any old schlocky schmoes. Instead they've been going for style over substance or trying to make Trek like Star Wars or GOTG or Fast and the Furious in a desperate bid to make a billion dollars at the box office. Trek should do what it does best. Not try to copy Anything else on film or tv.

Agreed. Trek (like Superman) is a tricky property to handle, let alone update.
I did enjoy Trek 09 a lot- but it quickly squandered the goodwill with "Into Darkness".

The original Trek movies I feel worked because of the familiarity of the characters/cast visiting homes through the tv in syndication for so many years on tv- and having them be older actually worked FOR them in that it felt like each film could be the last. Having them deal with mortality issues made it even better, similar to how Batman was cooler and even more interesting as an older, more fragile hero in Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns".

I had higher hopes for "Beyond"- which, wasn't bad- but was by no means great and didn't make up for "Into Darkness" imo. I feel you either need it to be a big event film to compete with so many franchises and/or make you REALLY love the characters. Both of course is best- but it's not there yet... and I'm not sure that they're going to solve it anytime soon.

[Metallo]

You're totally right. I thought it was stupid to kill Kirk in Into Darkness and to destroy the Enterprise in Beyond. Those things worked in the TWOK and TSFS (funny how they rehashed two movie moments in a row).

Like you said fans had years worth of experiences across all those episodes and all those adventures. They brought those feelings with them when Spock died in II and the Enterprise was destroyed in III. The new movies did build up the good will to do that or earn the proper emotion for those moments. I don't give a sh!t about the nutrek enterprise. Destroying it in the third movie would be almost as bad as...killing Superman in the second movie.