SyFy's Krypton - season two trailer

[Metallo]

Good point about Brooks. I remember watching some DS9 behind the scenes footage and while visitor and siddig were having fun he looked dead f*cking serous. Not bored but pissed. I think he just doesn’t care to hide his displeasure at these things because I’ve seen him perk up and get engaged if he found the topic interesting.

I’ve read since that Farrell was just tired of the schedule and didn’t want to be full time anymore which the producers didn’t like. I can’t blame her since the schedule for that kind of show is grueling. Yeah you can tell there was some anger there because we never see Jadzia again even in the montage at the end. Like I said you can always tell how an actor left a show on how they are portrayed afterwards. Charlie Sheen on two and a half men is a great example.

Tng just didn’t know how to write for the women. You could tell they were most interested in Picard Data and Worf but almost all the troi and crusher centric episodes are bad and it’s usually built around some random romance. DS9 was the show that seemed to have the best writing for the entire ensemble.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 20, 2018 13:35:41 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Good point about Brooks. I remember watching some DS9 behind the scenes footage and while visitor and siddig were having fun he looked dead f*cking serous. Not bored but pissed. I think he just doesn’t care to hide his displeasure at these things because I’ve seen him perk up and get engaged if he found the topic interesting.

I’ve read since that Farrell was just tired of the schedule and didn’t want to be full time anymore which the producers didn’t like. I can’t blame her since the schedule for that kind of show is grueling. Yeah you can tell there was some anger there because we never see Jadzia again even in the montage at the end. Like I said you can always tell how an actor left a show on how they are portrayed afterwards. Charlie Sheen on two and a half men is a great example.

Tng just didn’t know how to write for the women. You could tell they were most interested in Picard Data and Worf but almost all the troi and crusher centric episodes are bad and it’s usually built around some random romance. DS9 was the show that seemed to have the best writing for the entire ensemble.

Agreed. But it's weird how TNG,Enterprise, and DS9's first two seasons were pretty dull and predictable then got better- whereas Voyager had a (overall) good season, but then got more and more uninteresting as it went along.

It really did feel like the premise of a Federation ship having no backup support and having to compromise (Or question) their ideals for survival in a hostile territory went way off-track (if not discarded) for happy holodeck adventures.

Originally I thought Moore was going to bring all that to Battlestar, which sort of went there- but mostly also went and did a somewhat different thing.

Very watchable, but didn't go where I was hoping it would go.

[Metallo]

Tng and DS9 had to find their own identities. Voyager never really did. It was just generic Trek show but it should have been the opposite of that. They brought the borg in...like tng. Their own unique villainous creations never really caught on the same way the Klingons romulans borg dominion etc did. I don’t see the kazon or Hirogen or 8476 being talked about among the top Star Trek Aliens.

The departure of jeri Taylor also meant there were behind the scenes shake ups that didn’t turn for the better. Bragga! The whole franchise was also starting to run out of gas creatively. Voyager was very much rehashing things we’d seen before. DS9 mined its premise enough to do different stuff. Everything with the war and prophets was different from the usual Trek episode.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 20, 2018 15:37:54 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Tng and DS9 had to find their own identities. Voyager never really did. It was just generic Trek show but it should have been the opposite of that. They brought the borg in...like tng. Their own unique villainous creations never really caught on the same way the Klingons romulans borg dominion etc did. I don’t see the kazon or Hirogen or 8476 being talked about among the top Star Trek Aliens.

The departure of jeri Taylor also meant there were behind the scenes shake ups that didn’t turn for the better. Bragga! The whole franchise was also starting to run out of gas creatively. Voyager was very much rehashing things we’d seen before. DS9 mined its premise enough to do different stuff. Everything with the war and prophets was different from the usual Trek episode.

Bryan Fuller did some interesting stuff- but that was within what felt like phony confines the show seemed to establish for itself.

While I'm not crazy about Trek with a dark tone now- Voyager's premise seemed to insist on it being dark to be true to itself- but it morphed into being the '7 of 9' show somehow- and pretty much abandoned a lot of its own characters to just focus on the doctor, 7 of 9, and the captain for character development.

[Metallo]

That’s why Mulgrew clashed with Ryan. It wasnt Ryan’s fault but she was benefitting from sleeping with Bragga so she wasn’t totally hands clean either. The network wanted sexy to bump up ratings and thus it became the seven of nine show.

Discovery is using dark as a gimmick to pretend like it has depth. When it’s really kinda stupid.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 21, 2018 18:32:42 GMT -5 Metallo said:

That’s why Mulgrew clashed with Ryan. It wasnt Ryan’s fault but she was benefitting from sleeping with Bragga so she wasn’t totally hands clean either. The network wanted sexy to bump up ratings and thus it became the seven of nine show.

Discovery is using dark as a gimmick to pretend like it has depth. When it’s really kinda stupid.

I guess the tv is matching the current movies, then- all surface, no substance.

Still...
I do have some small hope that Nicholas Meyer's 'Khan prequel' surprises me in a good way (if it ever happens) in the way X-men: First Class surprised me (I never thought it was going to be any good, but was pleasantly shocked how great it was)... and whatever Tarantino is doing with Trek.
It's a pity that they don't approach Tarantino to be the Kevin Feige of the Trek universe, as I think he would have the good taste to back Bryan Fuller or Manny Coto to in charge of the shows.

[Metallo]

I’d be down for Meyers khan prequel even though I’m sick and tired of prequels. Trek has been in prequel mode for 17 years. Even Star Wars finally moved forward instead of constantly looking back. I’d like to see trek explore new history again.

It’s funny you say discovery is matching the Abrams movies since discovery is being made under the license of the movies. It legally has to be visually different enough from classic trek because of the CBS and Paramount split after Viacom was broken up. It’s why JJs movies had to change just enough to get by because CBS owns the tv side.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 22, 2018 11:58:51 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I’d be down for Meyers khan prequel even though I’m sick and tired of prequels. Trek has been in prequel mode for 17 years. Even Star Wars finally moved forward instead of constantly looking back. I’d like to see trek explore new history again.

It’s funny you say discovery is matching the Abrams movies since discovery is being made under the license of the movies. It legally has to be visually different enough from classic trek because of the CBS and Paramount split after Viacom was broken up. It’s why JJs movies had to change just enough to get by because CBS owns the tv side.

Interesting- I did not know that about DIscovery, but I haven't read that throughly about the whole mess with Paramount, CBS, etc.

[Metallo]

That’s why it looks like the JJ movies. Because they are using that bad robot license. If they’d just say it’s in the kelvin timeline I think people would be more forgiving with the changes. I’m guessing that’s why they changed the Klingons too. There was actually an internal error and someone revealed just what the percentage was that they had to legally change

[crazy_asian_man]

May 21, 2018 18:32:42 GMT -5 Metallo said:

That’s why Mulgrew clashed with Ryan. It wasnt Ryan’s fault but she was benefitting from sleeping with Bragga so she wasn’t totally hands clean either. The network wanted sexy to bump up ratings and thus it became the seven of nine show.

Discovery is using dark as a gimmick to pretend like it has depth. When it’s really kinda stupid.

I think Braga probably benefitted more.

[Metallo]

Hey I don’t blame him. I just never liked it because it didn’t help her case that Ryan was getting the lions share of the attention. It wasn’t a situation like Spock in tos where he was a great character. UPN was just using the old sex sells idea. It may have helped the show in the ratings but creatively it may have made things worse. The show became far too dependent on the borg for one thing.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2018 6:52:33 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Hey I don’t blame him. I just never liked it because it didn’t help her case that Ryan was getting the lions share of the attention. It wasn’t a situation like Spock in tos where he was a great character. UPN was just using the old sex sells idea. It may have helped the show in the ratings but creatively it may have made things worse. The show became far too dependent on the borg for one thing.

It was worse than that behind the scenes. Cast members did get a bit resentful (understandable). But- oddly, the cast seems to love each other at panels. (Outside of Ryan and Mulgrew, but their 'feud' onset was called out by Garrett apparently years ago & he reached out to both of them to make up).

I do wonder at times if the ratings were really that bad to justify some changes, or if it's hard to know if ratings (I don't know, I'm just throwing it out there) are measured differently under syndication.

In other words- maybe Voyager in syndication would have done better and there wouldn't have been a request to turn it into the 'Captain and 7 of 9 show'?

[Metallo]

I’m sure they got over it but Wang himself was pretty outspoken even back then. So was Beltran. I’ve read they almost let Wang go instead of Jennifer Lien.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2018 14:07:56 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I’m sure they got over it but Wang himself was pretty outspoken even back then. So was Beltran. I’ve read they almost let Wang go instead of Jennifer Lien.

Wang shared to Jeri Ryan onstage that the first day that she was part of the cast, was the same day Jennifer Lien was getting booted off. To his credit, while no one else was talking to Lien who was leaving (when Wang asked them why, the cast members said it was reciprocal)- Wang said he tried to give extra attention to Lien's last day, whereas the other members of the cast were joking around and giving extra attention to Ryan to welcome her in. So, he explained to Ryan that he felt she was being 'protected' so to speak by the rest of the cast, and tried to spend more time easing it for Lien.

Odd that she was willing/ wanted to come back for another episode... but bizarre that the episode was so badly written, I'm not even sure what the point was for that.

In any case, as an aside: these youtube convention appearances by the cast when they're together are pretty entertaining. (Most of the time anyways).

[Metallo]

I think Mulgrew really tried to be supportive when she was leaving and spin it as a positive but when she came back it was odd how the episode portrayed her in such a bad light. Maybe they wanted to make it more interesting by making her so angry.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2018 15:29:32 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I think Mulgrew really tried to be supportive when she was leaving and spin it as a positive but when she came back it was odd how the episode portrayed her in such a bad light. Maybe they wanted to make it more interesting by making her so angry.

Bizzare, wasn't it? It wasn't like her appearance back was going to cost an arm and a leg- if you're going to bother bringing back a cast member for an episode, you'd think there would be at least more care in the writing, even if there isn't much care on set (sadly).

[Metallo]

That’s the only think I can think of. Reminds me of Sabrina Lloyd coming back for Sliders (sorta). They did everything they could to crap on her character so you know she left on bad terms. Maybe her agent told her to take the money and run or maybe she did it to give her character more closure. That’s the only thing i can think of with Lien.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2018 20:24:23 GMT -5 Metallo said:

That’s the only think I can think of. Reminds me of Sabrina Lloyd coming back for Sliders (sorta). They did everything they could to crap on her character so you know she left on bad terms. Maybe her agent told her to take the money and run or maybe she did it to give her character more closure. That’s the only thing i can think of with Lien.

Usually I'm not a fan of actors' behavior (I know a few too many artists who use 'art' as a reason to justify being an ass) - but I did feel bad for a number of things I've heard from the actors on how they were treated on the Voyager set by the studio.

I'd like to think writers aren't as vindictive, but people are people- for better and worse. I would think if they knew she had substance abuse or mental health issues, that they would think twice before having an actor come back, even for an episode.

The thing is: the story didn't even really add a good sense of closure. It just painted the character in a bad light. How does that serve anyone, I wonder?

[Metallo]

May 23, 2018 21:56:06 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 23, 2018 20:24:23 GMT -5 Metallo said:

That’s the only think I can think of. Reminds me of Sabrina Lloyd coming back for Sliders (sorta). They did everything they could to crap on her character so you know she left on bad terms. Maybe her agent told her to take the money and run or maybe she did it to give her character more closure. That’s the only thing i can think of with Lien.

Usually I'm not a fan of actors' behavior (I know a few too many artists who use 'art' as a reason to justify being an booty) - but I did feel bad for a number of things I've heard from the actors on how they were treated on the Voyager set by the studio.

I'd like to think writers aren't as vindictive, but people are people- for better and worse. I would think if they knew she had substance abuse or mental health issues, that they would think twice before having an actor come back, even for an episode.

The thing is: the story didn't even really add a good sense of closure. It just painted the character in a bad light. How does that serve anyone, I wonder?

Even if she didn’t have any problems they would have dropped her like a rock anyway. It’s all about the ratings and money. Just how it is for them. Terrible producers do get support as long as they show results so they can get away with treating cast and crew like crap.

We are seeing how long this stuffs gone on with some people with these me too and times up movements. Lots of awful unprofessional behavior has been excused for years to protect the bottom line. The way Ratner treated Ellen Page on X-men 3 was disgusting but he had a lot of enablers around him that allowed and even excused his bad behavior

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2018 22:08:05 GMT -5 Metallo said:

May 23, 2018 21:56:06 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Usually I'm not a fan of actors' behavior (I know a few too many artists who use 'art' as a reason to justify being an booty) - but I did feel bad for a number of things I've heard from the actors on how they were treated on the Voyager set by the studio.

I'd like to think writers aren't as vindictive, but people are people- for better and worse. I would think if they knew she had substance abuse or mental health issues, that they would think twice before having an actor come back, even for an episode.

The thing is: the story didn't even really add a good sense of closure. It just painted the character in a bad light. How does that serve anyone, I wonder?

Even if she didn’t have any problems they would have dropped her like a rock anyway. It’s all about the ratings and money. Just how it is for them. Terrible producers do get support as long as they show results so they can get away with treating cast and crew like crap.

We are seeing how long this stuffs gone on with some people with these me too and times up movements. Lots of awful unprofessional behavior has been excused for years to protect the bottom line. The way Ratner treated Ellen Page on X-men 3 was disgusting but he had a lot of enablers around him that allowed and even excused his bad behavior

I'm glad that Page was willing to return on Xmen: DOFP, though. I guess it would take living in the industry to know the truth about the abusive work environments, but I do wonder just how bad the situation has been and/ or how widespread it really is.

[Metallo]

I think that kind of stuff happens all the time or at least say more than we’d expect. I don’t watch the shows but reading about these controversies on The Lethal Weapon tv show and NCIS makes me wonder how it even got that far on those shows.

I think Ellen Page was probably looking for a better experience and probably did like working with some of those people. It’s also a high profile opportunity to raise her stock in Hollywood. Plus Singer wasn’t Ratner. As a homosexual man Singer would be the last person to give her a hard time the way Ratner did and be much more welcoming. I’m sure he dealt with the same stuff in Hollywood she has.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 24, 2018 6:27:30 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I think that kind of stuff happens all the time or at least say more than we’d expect. I don’t watch the shows but reading about these controversies on The Lethal Weapon tv show and NCIS makes me wonder how it even got that far on those shows.

I think Ellen Page was probably looking for a better experience and probably did like working with some of those people. It’s also a high profile opportunity to raise her stock in Hollywood. Plus Singer wasn’t Ratner. As a magnificent man Singer would be the last person to give her a hard time fhe way Ratner did and be much more welcoming. I’m sure he dealt with the same stuff in Hollywood as she has.

I wonder how much has ALWAYS been this way in Hollywood behind closed doors - and, if so - to what degree.
(I'm glad to hear no scandals on any Donner sets- that would horrify, to be frank. The worst I'd heard was Donner and Bill Murray not getting along on "Scrooged". The 'asian stereotype' criticism for Lethal Weapon 4 was overblown and from what I could tell- unwarranted imo. The complaints were not about how the cast and such were treated- and Jet Li (who's suffering his own health issues now)- got a great break into Hollywood from that appearance as villain.v

I have a feeling auto-correct is on overdrive on your post- I'm sure Singer is a magnificent man- perhaps we are all a little magnificent as human beings.

But I get what you're saying. If what was said is true about Ratner- yeah, that's unacceptable. But, the question is if that's the norm and what's going to actually be done about it.

I do have pause when it comes to the overall wave of the 'metoo' movement, though. I have seen firsthand what happens when people fly to this or that cause hot on emotion, rather than measuring all factors in a situation.

I think part of it comes from knowing some actors and seeing how some can be good folks, but some can also the most callous asses in the world.

Not talking about the Ellen Page situation, but this goes to the bigger 'wave'...

I do get irritated when I see actors accept work for a filmmaker or producer who's publicly controversial- then after they benefit and have gotten all the roles they could, then turn around and say, "Oh, he's so morally inferior to me, I never would have worked for him/her if I knew they were this kind of person". Kind of convenient timing for such moral indignation, if you ask me....

Funny aside is that I watched an interview with Goldie Hawn- who played 'dumb characters' onscreen, but sounds like a very sharp and practical person. (At least in the interview, I don't know what she's really like as a person)- She was asked about harassment/etc. in Hwood- but she basically said that because of her upbringing, she knew the warning signs and steered clear along the way.

I think sometimes when I hear actors stories- sometimes I feel like it's like the couple that stay living at the house in "Amityville Horror"- you think: "You KNOW the house is haunted, and yet you keep going back in! hecko!". Anyhow, sorry for the rant.

[Metallo]

May 24, 2018 13:13:44 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I wonder how much has ALWAYS been this way in Hollywood behind closed doors - and, if so - to what degree.
(I'm glad to hear no scandals on any Donner sets- that would horrify, to be frank. The worst I'd heard was Donner and Bill Murray not getting along on "Scrooged". The 'asian stereotype' criticism for Lethal Weapon 4 was overblown and from what I could tell- unwarranted imo. The complaints were not about how the cast and such were treated- and Jet Li (who's suffering his own health issues now)- got a great break into Hollywood from that appearance as villain.v

I have a feeling auto-correct is on overdrive on your post- I'm sure Singer is a magnificent man- perhaps we are all a little magnificent as human beings.

But I get what you're saying. If what was said is true about Ratner- yeah, that's unacceptable. But, the question is if that's the norm and what's going to actually be done about it.

I do have pause when it comes to the overall wave of the 'metoo' movement, though. I have seen firsthand what happens when people fly to this or that cause hot on emotion, rather than measuring all factors in a situation.

I think part of it comes from knowing some actors and seeing how some can be good folks, but some can also the most callous asses in the world.

Not talking about the Ellen Page situation, but this goes to the bigger 'wave'...

I do get irritated when I see actors accept work for a filmmaker or producer who's publicly controversial- then after they benefit and have gotten all the roles they could, then turn around and say, "Oh, he's so morally inferior to me, I never would have worked for him/her if I knew they were this kind of person". Kind of convenient timing for such moral indignation, if you ask me....

Funny aside is that I watched an interview with Goldie Hawn- who played 'dumb characters' onscreen, but sounds like a very sharp and practical person. (At least in the interview, I don't know what she's really like as a person)- She was asked about harassment/etc. in Hwood- but she basically said that because of her upbringing, she knew the warning signs and steered clear along the way.

I think sometimes when I hear actors stories- sometimes I feel like it's like the couple that stay living at the house in "Amityville Horror"- you think: "You KNOW the house is haunted, and yet you keep going back in! hecko!". Anyhow, sorry for the rant.

LOL! Yeah. It’s the boards language filter. I don’t think I could even type out D!ck Donner without it posting as something funny. Let’s see...”Dick”...nope. I did wonder why you kept saying “booty” so much.

This stuff happens everywhere in every work place. Its just more high profile in Hollywood. It was seen as acceptable by some men for so long because some of us guys thought it was being playful but it’s not. I’ve known a few guys and ladies who got terminated for sexual harassment and I warned em not to be doing that even if they didn’t see anything wrong. Apparently Morgan Freeman is facing another round of accusations now.

Sometimes I think we can be too PC while other times we do go too far on stereotypes. I love the simpsons but I’m torn on this whole controversy with Apu. I’ve always liked the character but he is a stereotype. Same thing with Fisher Stevens in Short Circuit although I really do see the problem with that and agree that a white guy should not be playing an Indian guy. People got fed up with black face characters in the 80s and this was no different. You’d never see that stuff now. Same thing with Joel Grey in Remo Williams. Even worse was Mickey Rooney in Breakfast At Tiffany’s. I found that disgusting.

As for Bill Murray I don’t think he was getting along with many people at that time. His falling out with Harold Ramis started on Ghostbusters 2 and just exploded on Groundhog Day. Hard to blame Donner when he was giving one of his own friends crap.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 24, 2018 13:36:51 GMT -5 Metallo said:

May 24, 2018 13:13:44 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I wonder how much has ALWAYS been this way in Hollywood behind closed doors - and, if so - to what degree.
(I'm glad to hear no scandals on any Donner sets- that would horrify, to be frank. The worst I'd heard was Donner and Bill Murray not getting along on "Scrooged". The 'asian stereotype' criticism for Lethal Weapon 4 was overblown and from what I could tell- unwarranted imo. The complaints were not about how the cast and such were treated- and Jet Li (who's suffering his own health issues now)- got a great break into Hollywood from that appearance as villain.v

I have a feeling auto-correct is on overdrive on your post- I'm sure Singer is a magnificent man- perhaps we are all a little magnificent as human beings.

But I get what you're saying. If what was said is true about Ratner- yeah, that's unacceptable. But, the question is if that's the norm and what's going to actually be done about it.

I do have pause when it comes to the overall wave of the 'metoo' movement, though. I have seen firsthand what happens when people fly to this or that cause hot on emotion, rather than measuring all factors in a situation.

I think part of it comes from knowing some actors and seeing how some can be good folks, but some can also the most callous asses in the world.

Not talking about the Ellen Page situation, but this goes to the bigger 'wave'...

I do get irritated when I see actors accept work for a filmmaker or producer who's publicly controversial- then after they benefit and have gotten all the roles they could, then turn around and say, "Oh, he's so morally inferior to me, I never would have worked for him/her if I knew they were this kind of person". Kind of convenient timing for such moral indignation, if you ask me....

Funny aside is that I watched an interview with Goldie Hawn- who played 'dumb characters' onscreen, but sounds like a very sharp and practical person. (At least in the interview, I don't know what she's really like as a person)- She was asked about harassment/etc. in Hwood- but she basically said that because of her upbringing, she knew the warning signs and steered clear along the way.

I think sometimes when I hear actors stories- sometimes I feel like it's like the couple that stay living at the house in "Amityville Horror"- you think: "You KNOW the house is haunted, and yet you keep going back in! hecko!". Anyhow, sorry for the rant.

LOL! Yeah. It’s the boards language filter. I don’t think I could even type out D!ck Donner without it posting as something funny. Let’s see...”vagina”...nope. I did wonder why you kept saying “booty” so much.

This stuff happens everywhere in every work place. Its just more high profile in Hollywood. It was seen as acceptable by some men for so long because some of us guys thought it was being playful but it’s not. I’ve known a few guys and ladies who got terminated for sexual harassment and I warned em not to be doing that even if they didn’t see anything wrong. Apparently Morgan Freeman is facing another round of accusations now.

Sometimes I think we can be too PC while other times we do go too far on stereotypes. I love the simpsons but I’m torn on this whole controversy with Apu. I’ve always liked the character but he is a stereotype. Same thing with Fisher Stevens in Short Circuit although I really do see the problem with that and agree that a white guy should not be playing an Indian guy. People got fed up with black face characters in the 80s and this was no different. You’d never see that stuff now. Same thing with Joel Grey in Remo Williams. Even worse was Mickey Rooney in Breakfast At Tiffany’s. I found that disgusting.

As for Bill Murray I don’t think he was getting along with many people at that time. His falling out with Harold Ramis started on Ghostbusters 2 and just exploded on Groundhog Day. Hard to blame Donner when he was giving one of his own friends crap.

I said 'booty' in a post? Geez. That auto-correct filter is crazy. Silly A.I.'s!

For my part, I think common sense open dialogue would be the preferred thing overall- and have the best long term results in people getting along. (My theory anyways).

The thing is whether or not at the core, if people have the interest in doing what they can to see the other person's point of view as well as their own= and respect each other's dignity of opinions differ on most things. (There are things that cross the line that need to be called out on, but, again, that's why I have no interest in discussing politics or religion as things get too close to nerves in that arena. Talking movies, celebs, art, etc. isn't as close.)

I do think that there are times that I'm glad things are called out as offensive or not appropriate on a public forum, but I do think that (for the most part, not the extreme situations) there are times where things are going too far.... but it's different for everyone, so to respect that, I do get it can be tricky.

As another example: Iron Fist was called out for not being recast with an Asian by some folks. I actually was one of the voices that said, "NO- the original character was Caucasian- and the writing was specific to that character---I feel it's a loss to not cast someone who looks Caucasian as he originally was in the comics. I felt the same way when the Tibetan Ancient One was recast as Caucasian- but I somewhat was ok with Marvel when they upgraded Wong to being Strange's sort-of mentor rather than his servant. At least there's a living male Asian who's not a villain in the MCU. (All the other good Asians in the MCU/ TV Marvel U.- have to be beautiful women, apparently. CUrious if Jimmy Woo gets more than a cameo for Antman & Wasp).

Anyhow- I digress. In short, PC can go to extremes- I feel like I'm a moderate, but who knows? I guess it's all subjective.

Back to Bill Booty. I mean, Bill Murray.

I've read he can be charming as heck, but if he's in a mood, watch out. I guess the flip side to being an extravert/entertainer to crowds is the expectation one brings up, even on a bad day- versus someone who puts out being perhaps more private, where you wouldn't always expect that. I liked that Steve Martin is a private person, but knows that when fans come up to him, they expected 'the funny'- so he started carrying business cards that he gave them that said: "This is to verify I have met Steve Martin and have found him witty and charming in person"- (Or pretty close to that- memory isn't all it used to be).

Anyhow- Glad Donner has a glowing reputation untarnished behind the scenes. I've run into a couple of people who've worked for Donner and Lucas as interns or employees that say fine things about them as people. I'm glad also that Kevin Feige and the MCU also seem to be clean as a whistle. Hopefully that becomes the norm (if it's hard to know if it's the norm right now...)

[Metallo]

Ancient one being whitewashed bothered me especially because of the bs excuse of trying to use one argument of equality to deflect another. I remember you and I talking about this and it’s obvious what the real reason behind the change was. I didn’t agree with it but understood why it was being done.

Changing Danny Rand into an Asian would be missing the point. Hes a white guy who learns and grows from experiencing the culture. Never understood the outrage over that one behind some overly pc people looking for a reason to get mad.

The real one that bugged me was casting Scarlett Johansson as Major Motoko in Ghost in the SheII. I get why but that character always should have been played by a Chinese actress. Ming Na wasn’t happy about it. She could have done it if she were a little younger but they wanted a bigger star. Casting Johansson made no difference in the long run. The movie underperformed anyway. It also had a poor script which didn’t help.

If they adapt Akira with white actors and whitewash the characters I’m gonna cry bloody murder. It upends the entirety of the subtext and the reason the story even exists. It has to be set in Japan. Akiras power represents the unchecked destructive potential of the atomic bomb and the dangers of science as well as what science means for human evolution. No other country on Earth can really represent that better than Japan. Akiras power was the bomb and the unleashing of raw power. So was Kaneda. Neo Tokyo represented how Japan recovered after the war and Kaneda was that still relevant threat that we should always remember. When he evolves at the end it’s using knowledge that was once used for destruction for something better.