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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 24, 2018 21:30:18 GMT -5
Changing Danny Rand into an Asian would be missing the point. Hes a white guy who learns and grows from experiencing the culture. Never understood the outrage over that one behind some overly pc people looking for a reason to get mad. The real one that bugged me was casting Scarlett Johansson as Major Motoko in Ghost in the SheII. I get why but that character always should have been played by a Chinese actress. Ming Na wasn’t happy about it. She could have done it if she were a little younger but they wanted a bigger star. Casting Johansson made no difference in the long run. The movie underperformed anyway. It also had a poor script which didn’t help. Agreed- I thought Marvel Comics' Master of Kung Fu and Iron Fist comics in the 70's were great. I think, though, the outrage came from such a giant lack of representation- and since we saw Samuel Jackson be cast for Nick Fury and Lawrence Fishburn for Perry White- I'm guessing that it seemed like a perfect window to be color blind and recast on Danny Rand.... if the stories or character weren't that good to begin with maybe I'd suggest it as a good idea- but I don't feel there was a real solid reason for outrage. Some frustration maybe, but from the folks that did get upset that I knew, I countered that for that story- as you said- it's one of the most interesting points is that as mentioned, one big element is his learning and growing from experiencing the culture. While it's true that an Asian could have been cast, the book was more interesting as it was. (Pity the show that came out was so god-awful, it didn't matter WHO was cast.) |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 10:24:24 GMT -5
I get why but that character always should have been played by a Chinese actress. Any reason Chinese over Japanese? It's been ages since I've watched the animated film but presumed the character to be Japanese. |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 10:25:18 GMT -5
If they’d cast an Asian it would have lost that message of sharing and respecting each other’s cultures. People just want to jump to racial outrage before they think things through. Next thing you know people will be demanding an Asian Snake Eyes and missing the whole point of his transformation.
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 10:40:41 GMT -5
I get why but that character always should have been played by a Chinese actress. Any reason Chinese over Japanese? It's been ages since I've watched the animated film but presumed the character to be Japanese. They never say what the main character is in the film or even where it’s set but the film is a mix of things from across Asia but heavily influenced by Chinese culture. The city is clearly modeled on Hong Kong. They could have cast Japanese but I went Chinese because of the setting. They also shot parts of the live action film in Hong Kong so why not go with a Chinese star to do better in China? That’s common sense to me. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -5
Any reason Chinese over Japanese? It's been ages since I've watched the animated film but presumed the character to be Japanese. They never say what the main character is in the film or even where it’s set but the film is a mix of things from across Asia but heavily influenced by Chinese culture. The city is clearly modeled on Hong Kong. They could have cast Japanese but I went Chinese because of the setting. They also shot parts of the live action film in Hong Kong so why not go with a Chinese star to do better in China? That’s common sense to me. That is interesting- I actually felt a Japanese actress should have been the best casting in the situation myself- as the property came from Japan- but I assume more importantly that the creator intended for her to be Japanese. But, haven't seen the animated movie outside of the trailer- and fell asleep during the Scarjo version. On a related note, sometimes there's controversy over who's cast even if the casting is under the umbrella of being asian. Sometimes it I do think the controversy is fair, sometimes I do think it's overboard. For 'Memoirs of a Geisha Girl"- the Chinese actresses from "Crouching Tiger" were cast- but with the characters specifically Japanese (plus some old generation tension between Japan vs. China over WWII)- I thought it was pretty stupid casting for people who cared about the authenticity and the book, but I had such disinterest in the book or the movie that I could understand if Japanese folks were offended and it was a case where it was kinda dumb not to cast Japanese. On the flip side, I'm totally with Roddenberry who said that Sulu was designed to be 'pan-asian' and/or there are situations where it's really fine to be color-blind without compromising on artistic integrity.... and situations where 'pan-asian' is fine, versus times where it really should be a specific nationality for the story vs. times where it REALLY doesn't matter. But- yeah, echoing again- Iron Fist was created as a caucasian, it's a great book, and I totally support that he should have been cast as a blond caucasian dude as it's how the comics were! |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 11:58:20 GMT -5
They never say what the main character is in the film or even where it’s set but the film is a mix of things from across Asia but heavily influenced by Chinese culture. The city is clearly modeled on Hong Kong. They could have cast Japanese but I went Chinese because of the setting. They also shot parts of the live action film in Hong Kong so why not go with a Chinese star to do better in China? That’s common sense to me. That is interesting- I actually felt a Japanese actress should have been the best casting in the situation myself- as the property came from Japan- but I assume more importantly that the creator intended for her to be Japanese. But, haven't seen the animated movie outside of the trailer- and fell asleep during the Scarjo version. On a related note, sometimes there's controversy over who's cast even if the casting is under the umbrella of being asian. Sometimes it I do think the controversy is fair, sometimes I do think it's overboard. For 'Memoirs of a Geisha Girl"- the Chinese actresses from "Crouching Tiger" were cast- but with the characters specifically Japanese (plus some old generation tension between Japan vs. China over WWII)- I thought it was pretty stupid casting for people who cared about the authenticity and the book, but I had such disinterest in the book or the movie that I could understand if Japanese folks were offended and it was a case where it was kinda dumb not to cast Japanese. On the flip side, I'm totally with Roddenberry who said that Sulu was designed to be 'pan-asian' and/or there are situations where it's really fine to be color-blind without compromising on artistic integrity.... and situations where 'pan-asian' is fine, versus times where it really should be a specific nationality for the story vs. times where it REALLY doesn't matter. But- yeah, echoing again- Iron Fist was created as a caucasian, it's a great book, and I totally support that he should have been cast as a blond caucasian dude as it's how the comics were! I think the issue comes from people thinking Asian cultures are interchangeable or all the same when they really aren’t. The major had a Japanese name and the anime was created in Japan but the culture is heavily Chinese as well as Japanese. I think that’s why Chinese and Japanese actresses were discussed. I also see why because I can think of more well known Chinese actresses than Japanese because China has had a bigger film industry over the decades. Wasn’t there controversy over Sulus casting in the 09 movie? Sulu was Japanese and so was Takei. But John Cho is Korean. I can see why people were offended. I’m pretty sure that after fighting in the war Roddenberry made Sulu Japanese to show how the world had changed for the better and people of different backgrounds were working together. It’s the same reason Chekhov was Russian. Kato was created as a Japanese character but then became Korean then became Chinese. Even the name Kato is Japanese but Bruce Lee and Jay Chou are Chinese and Taiwanese respectively. I think most Asians would take another Asian from about any country over this though.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2018 12:04:51 GMT -5
That is interesting- I actually felt a Japanese actress should have been the best casting in the situation myself- as the property came from Japan- but I assume more importantly that the creator intended for her to be Japanese. But, haven't seen the animated movie outside of the trailer- and fell asleep during the Scarjo version. On a related note, sometimes there's controversy over who's cast even if the casting is under the umbrella of being asian. Sometimes it I do think the controversy is fair, sometimes I do think it's overboard. For 'Memoirs of a Geisha Girl"- the Chinese actresses from "Crouching Tiger" were cast- but with the characters specifically Japanese (plus some old generation tension between Japan vs. China over WWII)- I thought it was pretty stupid casting for people who cared about the authenticity and the book, but I had such disinterest in the book or the movie that I could understand if Japanese folks were offended and it was a case where it was kinda dumb not to cast Japanese. On the flip side, I'm totally with Roddenberry who said that Sulu was designed to be 'pan-asian' and/or there are situations where it's really fine to be color-blind without compromising on artistic integrity.... and situations where 'pan-asian' is fine, versus times where it really should be a specific nationality for the story vs. times where it REALLY doesn't matter. But- yeah, echoing again- Iron Fist was created as a caucasian, it's a great book, and I totally support that he should have been cast as a blond caucasian dude as it's how the comics were! I think the issue comes from people thinking Asian cultures are interchangeable or all the same when they really aren’t. The major had a Japanese name and the anime was created in Japan but the culture is heavily Chinese as well as Japanese. I think that’s why Chinese and Japanese actresses were discussed. I also see why because I can think of more well known Chinese actessss than Japanese because China has had a bigger film industry over the decades. Wasn’t there controversy over Sulus casting in the 09 movie? Sulu was Japanese and so was Takei. But John Cho is Korean. I can see why people were offended. I’m pretty sure that after fighting in the war Roddenberry made Sulu Japanese to show how the world had changed for the better and people of different backgrounds were working together. It’s the same reason Chekhov was Russian. Kato was created as a Japanese character but then became Korean then became Chinese. Even the name Kato is Japanese but Bruce Lee and Jay Chou are Chinese and Taiwanese respectively. I read in an interview with Takei that he asked Roddenberry who Sulu was- and Roddenberry said that the character was pan-asian. So, I was ok with Cho- and thought he was a good choice. (I actually thought all the casting JJ did for the main crew was a good call, it's just the other stuff). |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 12:12:10 GMT -5
Takei also said Sulu was heterosexual but that didn’t go so well with JJ’s movies. Personally I’d prefer a Japanese actor but I don’t think it’s that big a deal if they cast someone from another country. For all we know Sulu comes from a mixed background like O-Ren in Kill Bill.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2018 12:27:12 GMT -5
Takei also said Sulu was heterosexual but that didn’t go so well with JJ’s movies. Personally I’d prefer a Japanese actor but I don’t think it’s that big a deal if they cast someone from another country. For all we know Sulu comes from a mixed background like O-Ren in Kill Bill. At this point, JJ Trek movies are such a 'nothing' event --- and everything is so (perhaps rightfully) overshadowed by the MCU that I don't know if fans would remember anything about any of the characters at this point. There's just so many competing franchises for one's attention in the sci-fi/ fantasy movie (and tv) arena now.... (including superheroes) |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 12:35:24 GMT -5
I like the casting in JJs movies but the characters come off more like caricatures than people. I didn’t think it was possible to make a more stereotypical Scotsman than Doohan but I was wrong. How many times was Pegg saying lassie in those movies? I think that’s one reason the movies have fallen off. They’re popcorn and not particularly deep. That’s not always going to keep audiences coming back.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 15:36:03 GMT -5
I think the issue comes from people thinking Asian cultures are interchangeable or all the same when they really aren’t. I guess that's where my confusion is coming from, because the story takes place in Japan and thought perhaps you were confusing the two. I see that's not the case. |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 17:05:20 GMT -5
I think the issue comes from people thinking Asian cultures are interchangeable or all the same when they really aren’t. I guess that's where my confusion is coming from, because the story takes place in Japan and thought perhaps you were confusing the two. I see that's not the case. Uh...I said I’d be fine with either one because the movie itself is a mix of Asian cultures even though it’s a Japanese production. The movie filmed in Hong Kong for that reason. I certainly do not think the two are interchangeable on a whim. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2018 19:21:43 GMT -5
I guess that's where my confusion is coming from, because the story takes place in Japan and thought perhaps you were confusing the two. I see that's not the case. Uh...I said I’d be fine with either one because the movie itself is a mix of Asian cultures even though it’s a Japanese production. The movie filmed in Hong Kong for that reason. I certainly do not think the two are interchangeable on a whim. Aside: a friend of mine asked me how to tell (visually) if someone were Chinese, Japanese, or Korean- I know my friend wasn't trying to be offensive- and I took none, because honestly speaking, unless someone spoke the language, it's not always easy to tell! (and this is coming from someone asian) |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 19:49:26 GMT -5
It’s not. I think that’s why we see that in casting sometimes. You can’t always tell what anyone is by looking which would be kinda...racist in and of itself. Sometimes someone can be of one background and look like like they could be another. I remember being surprised that Jamie Lynn Sigler wasn’t in any way Italian and and she played Tony Sopranos daughter. Of course other times I’d say it’s pretty obvious.  |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 7, 2018 13:02:54 GMT -5
 That’s...underwhelming. I mean the costumes right and the makeup is accurate but it all looks kinda cheap. He looks just like Lobo...s kid brother. I think you need someone bigger, older, and more grizzled looking. I liked what Andrew Bryniarski did in that Lobo Paramilitary Christmas Special fan film. If anything Momoa should have played Lobo instead of Aquaman. Lobo typically doesn’t require a deep or complex performance. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 8, 2018 3:43:35 GMT -5
That’s...underwhelming. I mean the costumes right and the makeup is accurate but it all looks kinda cheap. He looks just like Lobo...s kid brother. I think you need someone bigger, older, and more grizzled looking. I liked what Andrew Bryniarski did in that Lobo Paramilitary Christmas Special fan film. If anything Momoa should have played Lobo instead of Aquaman. Lobo typically doesn’t require a deep or complex performance. I always thought Lobo could have been a great villain, but the acclaim for him as an anti-hero has me scratching my head. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 8, 2018 17:50:56 GMT -5
It’s what always happens when a villain becomes mega popular. It happened to Deadpool. It happened to Venom. It happened to Harley Quinn...which is stupid in my eyes for so many reasons. They have pushed her hard as a major dc character lately. Like...one of the top ten. I’m burned out on her.
Lobo could be a great bad guy and anti hero. He’s got the qualities. I think much like Deadpool the satirical nature of the character made it a no brainer. I thought he was hilarious in Superman TAS and Justice League when they decided to push it further.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 8, 2018 19:19:32 GMT -5
It’s what always happens when a villain becomes mega popular. It happened to Deadpool. It happened to Venom. It happened to Harley Quinn...which is stupid in my eyes for so many reasons. They have pushed her hard as a major dc character lately. Like...one of the top ten. I’m burned out on her. Lobo could be a great bad guy and anti hero. He’s got the qualities. I think much like Deadpool the satirical nature of the character made it a no brainer. I thought he was hilarious in Superman TAS and Justice League when they decided to push it further. I have a moderate recollection of his introduction in the "Omega Men" series- and they did a great job of making his actions so evil, that he was a villain I loved to hate....and wanted the heroes of that book to give him his just desserts- but they did an odd turnabout and made him sort-of for laughs an issue or so later. If they had made him a sarcastic sob who really wasn't that bad right off the start, I think I would have had a better feeling towards him. As far as Harley Quinn goes--- I guess the public likes what it likes.... but it is annoying to see all the overexposure, I agree. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 9, 2018 15:53:38 GMT -5
I think he was a victim of the era. So extreme that it was absurd to some people so that’s the direction they pushed it in.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 15, 2018 23:15:21 GMT -5
I think he was a victim of the era. So extreme that it was absurd to some people so that’s the direction they pushed it in. Well... there's been other things that GIffen has done that I've equally liked and really annoyed me in the DC universe.... so, there's that, too...  |
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