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Post by Metallo on Nov 25, 2018 21:10:00 GMT -5
As we found out Whedon can only make a difference even with the script if he’s given enough freedom. We don’t know if WB is doing that even after JL. Not with the big ten tools movies with big budgets and a lot riding on them.
I think it’s going to be a while before we see what Walter Hamada’s dc films will look like and that’s if WB is letting him fix things as that’s assuming he’s the right guy for the job.
I think they lucked out with Wonder Woman and even it had its problems. If these next few movies don’t work they may have to throw the baby out with the bath water and start completely from scratch.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 27, 2018 2:16:22 GMT -5
As we found out Whedon can only make a difference even with the script if he’s given enough freedom. We don’t know if WB is doing that even after JL. Not with the big ten tools movies with big budgets and a lot riding on them. I think it’s going to be a while before we see what Walter Hamada’s dc films will look like and that’s if WB is letting him fix things as that’s assuming he’s the right guy for the job. I think they lucked out with Wonder Woman and even it had its problems. If these next few movies don’t work they may have to throw the baby out with the bath water and start completely from scratch. I do wonder how much interference happened on Wonder Woman.... versus just a misguided script in the second half of that film. I'm glad that the release has been delayed to give Jenkins more time to fine-tune Wonder WOman 2.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 28, 2018 21:07:17 GMT -5
People wanted the no mans land scene cut so that right there shows me WB didn’t have a clue. The third act felt all studio notes to me. The way she beats Ares and the way the soldiers react make no sense. Her destruction of him is the antithesis of the message the film is trying to get across for one thing and not only that but wether Ares was influencing the soldiers or not is handled so poorly. That’s not even getting into the video game style execution.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 29, 2018 3:16:10 GMT -5
People wanted the no mans land scene cut so that right there shows me WB didn’t have a clue. The third act felt all studio notes to me. The way she beats Ares and the way the soldiers react make no sense. Her destruction of him is the antithesis of the message the film is trying to get across for one thing and not only that but wether Ares was influencing the soldiers or not is handled so poorly. That’s not even getting into the video game style execution. No man's land scene was the high point- but from there, it felt muddled at best. I certainly hope Jenkins has a great story to tell for the sequel....
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Post by Metallo on Dec 1, 2018 13:03:52 GMT -5
Yeah it’s their best movie but it’s very flawed. I think the good in it overcame a lot of problems and people gave those a pass. It’s got the same villain problem as most of the dceu movies.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 1, 2018 13:07:06 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/dc-and-warner-bros-developing-jamie-reyes-blue-beetle-superhero-movieWas listening to a show and they brought up something that makes me wonder if Venoms massive box office success has spurred WB on to make this. The modern blue beetle is a guy bonded with an almost parasitic alien creation that can form weapons to fight. They aren’t the exact same character but it sounds a little like Venom to me...enough so that a dimwitted studio exec would say “what do we have like that?” There was development of a movie with the Ted Kord Blue Beetle since the producers of Arrow were told they could t use him for that reason. Clearly that was dropped at some point in favor of this.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 1, 2018 13:17:30 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/dc-and-warner-bros-developing-jamie-reyes-blue-beetle-superhero-movieWas listening to a show and they brought up something that makes me wonder if Venoms massive box office success has spurred WB on to make this. The modern blue beetle is a guy bonded with an almost parasitic alien creation that can form weapons to fight. They aren’t the exact same character but it sounds a little like Venom to me...enough so that a dimwitted studio exec would say “what do we have like that?” There was development of a movie with the Ted Kord Blue Beetle since the producers of Arrow were told they could t use him for that reason. Clearly that was dropped at some point in favor of this. Your theory sounds about right. I always loved the original Ted Kord Beetle. Just never got into this other version of Beetle. Were people that in love with the Giffen version?
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Post by Metallo on Dec 1, 2018 17:53:35 GMT -5
You mean the Giffen era justice league Ted Kord? I think there’s an appeal to the comedy era justice league. It’s the take Hollywood keeps going back to. That’s why the tv pilot got made in 97 and even why they had Fire on the Powerless tv show. Personally I’d like to see them do something with all three Beetles (Dan Garrett, Kord, and Reyes). A movie or tv show or whatever. Reyes as a rookie, Kord as his mentor, tech guy, and an occasional hero, and Garrett as a sort of retired hero they go to for advice. They could even include Booster. If Reyes is the lead it’ll be all about him but I’d love a Beetle and Booster buddy hero project.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 2, 2018 2:15:11 GMT -5
You mean the Giffen era justice league Ted Kord? I think there’s an appeal to the comedy era justice league. It’s the take Hollywood keeps going back to. That’s why the tv pilot got made in 97 and even why they had Fire on the Powerless tv show. Personally I’d like to see them do something with all three Beetles (Dan Garrett, Kord, and Reyes). A movie or tv show or whatever. Reyes as a rookie, Kord as his mentor, tech guy, and an occasional hero, and Garrett as a sort of retired hero they go to for advice. They could even include Booster. If Reyes is the lead it’ll be all about him but I’d love a Beetle and Booster buddy hero project. I have big love for the comedic Justice League International series - but even before the Giffen era bromance between the Beetle and Booster, it was actually an Al Milgrom cover of Blue Beetle on an old pre-JLI Fan magazine that was my first intro the the character that just grabbed my attention for the Beetle in the first place. (The book was not being published as Charlton comics was dying, but the fanzine was still going for some reason). I didn't read the origin about the younger/newer Beetle, but when I read a summary and saw the look, I still had more interest in the original one being focused on and made into a live action. When the Beetle/Booster bromance came in, It was great fun and I embraced it. (Though I didn't care for the art for the DC solo series enough to pick it up at the time).
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Post by Metallo on Dec 3, 2018 13:51:39 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Dec 8, 2018 23:35:14 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 9, 2018 4:36:19 GMT -5
The stuff with Amy Adams and Jason Momoa was pretty cool- it's great to hear such a straight shooter in interviews. Was hilarious to read the bit about Momoa's view of his co-stars and I do have to give it up for his genuine loyalty to Snyder--- kind of wish that Chris Pratt had expressed that level of support for James Gunn, but.... who knows how things really are with coworkers? Maybe there's other factors, but on the surface it's nice to see people give loyalty to folks that make them superstars.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 9, 2018 13:32:40 GMT -5
Most were loyal to Gunn but they’ve got contracts. They all spoke up in favor of him staying by releasing a statement. The fact that Disney took another meeting with Gunn after he was fired shows how much that meant but they can’t all just walk. Well they could but they’d risk hurting their careers not to mention lawsuits. Batista has been pretty clear on how he feels the difference is he’s never given a crap about playing the game. The guy walked out of WWE when his contract was as up and didn’t care what they thought about it. He’d do the same to Disney.
It’s not like Momoa threatened to quit playing Aquaman unless Snyder is back. He’s still doing it. But yeah he does owe it all to Snyder. I think Snyder failed at what he was doing but I can’t deny he gave these people huge opportunities and so I understand their loyalty. I don’t expect anything less.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 9, 2018 20:03:35 GMT -5
Most were loyal to Gunn but they’ve got contracts. They all spoke up in favor of him staying by releasing a statement. The fact that Disney took another meeting with Gunn after he was fired shows how much that meant but they can’t all just walk. Well they could but they’d risk hurting their cereers not to mention lawsuits. Batista has been pretty clear on how he feels the difference is he’s never given a crap about playing the game. The guy walked out of WWE when his contract was as up and didn’t care what they thought about it. He’d do the same to Disney. It’s not like Momoa threatened to quit playing Aquaman unless Snyder is back. He’s still doing it. But yeah he does owe it all to Snyder. I think Snyder failed at what he was doing but I can’t deny he gave these people huge opportunities and so I understand their loyalty. I don’t expect anything less. I think that's what I liked about Margot Kidder, Batista, and (it looks like) Momoa- that they don't care so much about playing the game to say what's on their mind. Momoa might not have threatened to quit if Snyder didn't come back (as it's hard to know if Snyder really was going to be let go with or without the tragedy in his family or if he would have bent with the changes asked) , but openly saying that Snyder was at his wedding to a public that didn't previously know and that he considers him family sounds like someone who isn't guarding much politically. The way he phrased how he viewed his co-stars seemed pretty fair.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 10, 2018 7:38:50 GMT -5
Momoa was honest but careful. He said things that were true but tried to make sure he didn’t disrespect anyone. He thanked Snyder but avoided any of the reasons why he was fired. and really he’s right about Cavill and Affleck. Cavill and Affleck have done three of these movies each. That’s more than most. More than Perlman got as HeIIboy more than Keaton did as Batman more than Routh as Superman more than Garfield as Spider-Man. The same number of films Maguire got as Spider-Man and Bale got as Batman. They were decent runs and at one time those would have been the normal expected runs. If it’s over for them its not like they didn’t get chances.
I think Snyder was gone either way. WB went into panic mode after BvS because it should have been massive but wasn’t. His daughters death just gave everyone a convenient cover to save face. Nobody’s career could be hurt at least not publicly and the movie wouldn’t look like it was in trouble. Problem was most people didn’t buy it because of the disastrous aftermath of BvSs release. Between that MOS and suicide squad which he was a producer on WB was very disappointed.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 11, 2018 15:04:20 GMT -5
Momoa was honest but careful. He said things that were true but tried to make sure he didn’t disrespect anyone. He thanked Snyder but avoided any of the reasons why he www fired. and really he’s right about Cavill and Affleck. Cavill and Affleck have done three of these movies each. That’s more than most. More than Perlman got as HeIIboy more than Keaton did as Batman more than Routh as Superman more than Garfield as Spider-Man. The same number of films Maguire got as Spider-Man Bale got as Batman. They were decent runs and at one time those would have been the normal expected runs. If it’s over for them its not like they didn’t get chances. I think Snyder was gone either way. WB went into panic mode after BvS because it should have been massive but wasn’t. His daughters death just gave everyone a convenient cover to save face. Nobody’s career could be hurt at least not publicly and the movie wouldn’t look like it was in trouble. Problem was most people didn’t buy it because of the disastrous aftermath of BvSs release. Between that mos and suicide squad which he was a producer on WB was very disappointed. Good point about what was considered 'normal runs'. Even though from a fan's perspective it's easy enough to say 'keep this as the main job and use it to leverage for others'- but sometimes I forget that even one production could last from six months to maybe a year (or more).... and with the actor's clock ticking- if they're not into really making a particular film or sequel, one day on a set can feels like months eating away from a film he or she may REALLY want to make.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 12, 2018 8:53:52 GMT -5
Right. Snyder’s films could have pretty long production schedules.
Cavill’s whole issue wasn’t that he didn’t want to play Superman. He felt he’d earned more money to play Superman. Fact is he didn’t. What had he done to expect a raise? Every actor works hard. His films didn’t deliver the results WB wanted and it’s not like his popularity exploded across pop culture. Most people either can’t pronounce his name correctly (Kay-ville, Ka-ville, Cave-Ul) or don’t even know it. It’s hilarious to see some people struggle with it. Reeve became much more of a household name than Cavill did some really what stroke or clout did he have to expect a raise? WB didn’t feel he was worth it and he didn’t feel it was worth it to work long shoots without more compensation. Not to mention there were no plans for a solo Superman project. Cavill should have taken the money for a short cameo in Shazam. If Shazam is a big hit and got critical praise it could have been the first step to getting a Superman film moving.
Affleck had worked too hard to have his reenergized career tarnished by Snyder’s panned movies and from WBs perspective he’s a liability. The big elephant in the room is his drinking. Insuring him must be pretty high. Casting him and Snyder’s take on Batman limited what they can do going forward. He very publicly seemed uninterested after BvS and he and WB must have butted heads behind the scenes on the creative direction so to then he’s not worth the headaches. I think it was a case of a mutual agreement to part ways.
I said years ago going with someone Afflecks age would cause some problems. There was no way he was in for a long term commitment. If you do old Batman or middle aged Batman it’s a lot harder to do for a decade.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 9, 2019 11:47:30 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 9, 2019 18:00:31 GMT -5
I'm glad that Johns' is scripting, versus Goyer.... but it's a bit disturbing when you had Geoff Johns' singing the praises (and even being on the panel with Ryan Reynolds) for the Green Lantern movie. Green Lantern- if done right, could have been a Star Wars-like franchise all on its own. I don't have a lot of hope that WB will look at that way at this point. Personally, I'm hoping that they stick with the 'classic' Hal Jordan but in the storyline integrate the other Lanterns. I think they realize that they can't wait to introduce other Lanterns for a sequel this time out...
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Post by Metallo on Jan 27, 2019 14:02:56 GMT -5
Aquaman has blown past MOS domestically and before it’s all over it’s probably going to pass Suicide Squad. If it can somehow make another 15 million dollars it will pass BvS. Who ever thought that was even possible? Not that Aquaman was a great movie but it just shows how much BvS and MOS had word of mouth that really hurt them. Even if you adjust for inflation it’s still about to pass MOS.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 27, 2019 19:48:03 GMT -5
Aquaman has blown past MOS domestically and before it’s all over it’s probably going to pass Suicide Squad. If it can somehow make another 15 million dollars it will pass BvS. Who ever thought that was even possible? Not that Aquaman was a great movie but it just shows how much BvS and MOS had word of mouth that really hurt them. Even if you adjust for inflation it’s still about to pass MOS. I give most of the credit of Aquaman's success to the unique world that was family friendly. Great visuals you can enjoy a couple of times.... but, yeah, I expected maybe JL numbers or slightly more. I didn't anticipate this.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 28, 2019 16:24:04 GMT -5
Birds characters look pretty meh (huntress and canary look so dull) but it’s test footage so maybe they turn out better. I like Robbie as Harley but still feel her version and the character in general have become overrated. I’m also tired of how much the character has been overexposed and plastered everywhere. I’m really burned out on her. Like you said she’s psychotic. She’s a killer who has done awful things. Yet DC and WB have tried to push her hard as a hero or anti hero even though she still sometimes does horrible things. Not every character that takes off needs to be pushed to the moon as a new top hero character. Back in the day a little Harley Quinn went way. She worked well as a spice or a side dish to the main course that was the Joker. She was best playing off him because that’s what she was created for. I don’t mind the character being developed since she’s had some good stories but maybe they could dial it back some.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 28, 2019 16:26:16 GMT -5
Aquaman has blown past MOS domestically and before it’s all over it’s probably going to pass Suicide Squad. If it can somehow make another 15 million dollars it will pass BvS. Who ever thought that was even possible? Not that Aquaman was a great movie but it just shows how much BvS and MOS had word of mouth that really hurt them. Even if you adjust for inflation it’s still about to pass MOS. I give most of the credit of Aquaman's success to the unique world that was family friendly. Great visuals you can enjoy a couple of times.... but, yeah, I expected maybe JL numbers or slightly more. I didn't anticipate this. Is agree. Even though I never could have imagined it would make this much. It’s ofificially dcs biggest hit at the worldwide box office. Like you said it was family friendly. That and the fun factor along with the world building probably went a long way.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 29, 2019 3:03:41 GMT -5
Birds characters look pretty meh (huntress and canary look so dull) but it’s test footage so maybe they turn out better. I like Robbie as Harley but still feel her version and the character in general have become overrated. I’m also tired of how much the character has been overexposed and plastered everywhere. I’m really burned out on her. Like you said she’s psychotic. She’s a killer who has done awful things. Yet DC and WB have tried to push her hard as a hero or anti hero even though she still sometimes does horrible things. Not every character that takes off needs to be pushed to the moon as a new top hero character. Back in the day a little Harley Quinn went way. She worked well as a spice or a side dish to the main course that was the Joker. She was best playing off him because that’s what she was created for. I don’t mind the character being developed since she’s had some good stories but maybe they could dial it back some. Yeah.... Harley is way overexposed--- but WB is just following the trends I think of popularity at cons. Personally, I'm tired of seeing the movie Harley Quinn as cosplay so much.... but it's a testament to how much young gals apparently like her.... I basically see 3 female characters at conventions: Harley Quinn, Supergirl, and Wonder Woman. On another note: what I'm really looking forward to is seeing Elizabeth Winstead as classic costume Huntress--- but will see.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 30, 2019 21:38:39 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/warner-bros-announces-2021-release-dates-for-the-batman-and-suicide-squad-2So that will place its release about four years after Affleck’s last appearance as Batman in JL. About the same amount of time between Bales last appearance as Batman and Affleck’s first. Sounds about right as more proof that this will be a reboot. I’m fine with that. More time would be better but I’m also ready for something new and I don’t mean a prequel. I mean a clean break from Snyder. Suicide Squad....it’s so bad that WB basically salted the earth with that last f*ckin one. I love most of that lineup of the team from the comics but most of those versions of the characters just didn’t appeal to me because of the way they were executed and I’d have a hard time just forgetting that. I have no interest in seeing someone else try Juggalo Joker again. I hope Gunn gets to do totally new take. Even if it’s not new characters I want new actors, new designs, and a new story. If they want to say it’s a sequel fine but make it it’s own thing.
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