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Post by Metallo on Jun 28, 2018 11:51:28 GMT -5
Looks like they’re gonna offer everything they’ve done that they have the rights to including the new shows they’re making. Makes sense and it’s what I was hoping they’d do. Five new shows wouldn’t be enough to get people interested but putting everything they have going back 70 years might get people interested depending on if its for a good price. With a mix of new and old it offers something for the widest audience of DC fans.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 28, 2018 20:52:09 GMT -5
Love that auto-correct feature. "Steaming service" indeed!  |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 29, 2018 10:40:57 GMT -5
Hey it could be a steaming something. Have you seen those Titans behind the scenes photos?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 16:05:16 GMT -5
I would have loved this as a kid. At this point, I think I've seen all I've needed to see.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 29, 2018 16:56:09 GMT -5
I think if you own most of this stuff already or have seen it a billion times it takes away from the desire to subscribe to the service. Being able to get new stuff through the service is some incentive but not enough for everyone. The old stuff won’t matter much to most young people though unless they are a die hard super fan.
That just leaves the new shows that are exclusive to the service as the biggest hook. It’s not like Marvels Netflix shows where they are among several new ongoing series like House of Cards or Stranger Things. This reminds me more of CBS All Access which isn’t doing as well as CBS hoped.
The potential Disney streaming service sounds much more appealing to me. You’d get far more content not just Marvel or Pixar or Star Wars alone. WB should be looking at that as a guide especially if are going to be asking for a higher price.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 19, 2018 12:09:33 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 20, 2018 9:29:36 GMT -5
I think if you own most of this stuff already or have seen it a billion times it takes away from the desire to subscribe to the service. Being able to get new stuff through the service is some incentive but not enough for everyone. The old stuff won’t matter much to most young people though unless they are a die hard super fan. That just leaves the new shows that are exclusive to the service as the biggest hook. It’s not like Marvels Netflix shows where they are among several new ongoing series like House of Cards or Stranger Things. This reminds me more of CBS All Access which isn’t doing as well as CBS hoped. The potential Disney streaming service sounds much more appealing to me. You’d get far more content not just Marvel or Pixar or Star Wars alone. WB should be looking at that as a guide especially if are going to be asking for a higher price. As you mentioned, most of the diehard comic book fans probably already own the series and movies they wanted to on dvd/blu ray. Will be interesting to see if CBS' streaming survives, as it's (from what I underatand) betting all its stakes on people who want to see the new Trek tv series.... |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 20, 2018 15:35:00 GMT -5
Hard to say. The cbs merger is going to affect things going forward but I could see Moonves eating the loss on the streaming service just out of pride and spite so it could last a little while. It’s not doing what they want it to though.
I’ve see online where a lot of fans said they’re going to just buy the Batman TAS BLU-RAY which makes more sense to me in the long run than continuously subscribing to the streaming service to watch the episodes. If you buy them on disc you have them to watch over and over at your leisure. For what they are spending and what they are asking for a subscription fee the content is going to have to be pretty great to get enough people on board. The old stuff is already paid for so that’s not as big of an issue but the new stuff isn’t.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 5, 2018 12:31:18 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/timothy-dalton-is-the-chief-in-doom-patrol/After the news that Brendan Fraser was cast as Robot Man this is pretty cool. This is definitely the best casting in this show yet. I wanted him to play Alfred one day but with a beard he certainly looks like Niles Caulder. Plus he’s got some comic book cred with Brenda Starr, Flash Gordon, and The Rocketeer. They seem to be putting more effort into this than Titans or any of the other streaming shows.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 14, 2018 8:31:59 GMT -5
   Robin looks great, Beast Boy and Raven I get (younger and in regular clothes for now) but Starfire...yikes. The actress is probably fine but she looks like a street walker in that getup and they could have used some makeup to make her look more like the comics version. Race of the actress doesn’t matter since the character is orange but they didn’t even try. I hope Beast Boy looks fully green at some point. I like the angle with Jason Todd and I’m curious to see what they do with him...especially since they probably can’t use Batman. I believe this is his first official live action appearance and it’s going to be interesting to see the Grayson/Todd dynamic play out. Will they go all the way with Jason being killed and becoming Red Hood? The big fear though is that this is going to be DC’s Inhumans instead of their Cloak & Dagger or Runaways |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 14, 2018 10:10:52 GMT -5
I think it looks HORRIBLE, outside of Robin and Nightwing.... but, I think it's fair to see how the actual show is before judging it a failure. I did think SR's promo photo looked bad, but enjoyed the movie. Same with X-men black leather.
But can't we get past 'plainclothes-Smallville' style?
I can't believe how much I can't keep up with these shows.... wayyy behind. Heard good reviews on Cloak and Dagger & Black Lightning. Haven't seen all of Punisher, latest seasons of Flash and Arrow either.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 14, 2018 10:50:23 GMT -5
I was surprised at how mature and dark Cloak and Dagger was. Freeform is a long way from the days of Pat Robertson. The show is hit and miss and I thought it was shakey at first but when it a good its really good and not at all the YA tv show I thought it would be.
Black Lightning started very strong but felt into a bit of formula. The show also got too preachy to me at times. It was still the best Arrowverse show last season though. There is way too much content out there though. I don’t even watch most of it. Took me 6 months to catch up with The Gifted and Legion season 2 is still on my dvr unwatched. It’s just too much to keep up with. We’ve reached over saturation at this point but I guess that’s the current model for tv and streaming as the entire business and tv landscape changes.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 14, 2018 23:23:21 GMT -5
I was surprised at how mature and dark Cloak and Dagger was. Freeform is a long way from the days of Pat Robertson. The show is hit and miss and I thought it was shakey at first but when it a good its really good and not at all the YA tv show I thought it would be. Black Lightning started very strong but felt into a bit of formula. The show also got too preachy to me at times. It was still the best Arrowverse show last season though. There is way too much content out there though. I don’t even watch most of it. Took me 6 months to catch up with The Gifted and Legion season 2 is still on my dvr unwatched. It’s just too much to keep up with. We’ve reached over saturation at this point but I guess that’s the current model for tv and streaming as the entire business and tv landscape changes. Berliantiverse is consistently pretty good, but not great, which is unfortunate- but (oddly) compared to Marvel's Netflix tv shows- they're spectacular. (*with the exception of DD season 1) |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 15, 2018 9:28:52 GMT -5
Yeah I’d say they’re good but rarely great. But they’re also rarely god awful. I think they are inconsistent but not wildly. With marvels shows the gulf in quality is massive. Inhumans is the worst superhero show of the modern era. Period. I felt like I’d been robbed at gunpoint when it was over. But then Daredevil is great. Makes no sense. I guess it shows how hard it is to work under crapmasters like Perlmutter and Quesada. But I’d have to go back at least 20 years to find something worse than Inhumans. Even Mutant X was better. Is Nightman better? I think that’s an argument that could be made.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 15, 2018 12:25:25 GMT -5
Yeah I’d say they’re good but rarely great. But they’re also rarely god awful. I think they are inconsistent but not wildly. With marvels shows the gulf in quality is massive. Inhumans is the worst superhero show of the modern era. Period. I felt like I’d been robbed at gunpoint when it was over. But then Daredevil is great. Makes no sense. I guess it shows how hard it is to work under crapmasters like Perlmutter and Quesada. But I’d have to go back at least 20 years to find something worse than Inhumans. Even Mutant X was better. Is Nightman better? I think that’s an argument that could be made. Well- I credit Daredevil's original show runner for the success of season 1. The writer got to the meat of what made the Miller books great. I also credit Scott Buck for how horrible Inhumans and Iron Fist were. Especially in Iron Fist's case- Iron Fist had a lot of great source material to draw from- a lot of character stuff that didn't require a bit budget. Awful shows. I do wonder if he really is blacklisted at this point. (And I haven't seen Scott Buck's name anywhere since he was pushed out of Iron Fist as show runner and Inhumans tanked). Bizzarely, I don't even think Akiva Goldman's work (outside of B&R) is/was as bad as what Scott Buck did for those two shows. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 15, 2018 16:02:57 GMT -5
A lot of people are saying the latest Netflix seasons aren’t as good as the earlier ones. Not iron fist/Inhumans bad but still disappointing. I think a lot of marvel TVs problems come from the top. DC maybe not have done anything as good as Daredevil season one but I’d say that right now DC tv is better than Marvel tv. Their animated stuff tends to be better as well.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 16, 2018 15:11:32 GMT -5
A lot of people are saying the latest Netflix seasons aren’t as good as the earlier ones. Not iron fist/Inhumans bad but still disappointing. I think a lot of marvel TVs problems come from the top. DC maybe not have done anything as good as Daredevil season one but I’d say that right now DC tv is better than Marvel tv. Their animated stuff tends to be better as well. I blame/credit it to whoever is in charge of the writing staff and/or if there are any unreasonable restrictions placed on that staff for each series. Particularly with Marvel Comics, much of the Marvel comics is melodrama to begin with that doesn't necessarily rely on big budgets to pull that off.... but with so many giant budgeted tv shows on Netflix, it's bizzare that they'd want to cheap it up so much that a CW show looks like big budget by comparison. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 16, 2018 15:58:42 GMT -5
A lot of people are saying the latest Netflix seasons aren’t as good as the earlier ones. Not iron fist/Inhumans bad but still disappointing. I think a lot of marvel TVs problems come from the top. DC maybe not have done anything as good as Daredevil season one but I’d say that right now DC tv is better than Marvel tv. Their animated stuff tends to be better as well. I blame/credit it to whoever is in charge of the writing staff and/or if there are any unreasonable restrictions placed on that staff for each series. Particularly with Marvel Comics, much of the Marvel comics is melodrama to begin with that doesn't necessarily rely on big budgets to pull that off.... but with so many giant budgeted tv shows on Netflix, it's bizzare that they'd want to cheap it up so much that a CW show looks like big budget by comparison. The cheapness falls squarely on Perlmutter. He’s notoriously tight fisted. A real miser. It’s one of the big reasons Feige got out from under his control. But the buck (no pun intended) has to stop at Jeph Loeb for the creative end of the series. A lot is beyond his control as he explained with certain shows but he still overseas tv. His hands can’t be clean of responsibility either. I don’t know that his I involvement improved Smallville either. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 16, 2018 16:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 17, 2018 0:22:37 GMT -5
I blame/credit it to whoever is in charge of the writing staff and/or if there are any unreasonable restrictions placed on that staff for each series. Particularly with Marvel Comics, much of the Marvel comics is melodrama to begin with that doesn't necessarily rely on big budgets to pull that off.... but with so many giant budgeted tv shows on Netflix, it's bizzare that they'd want to cheap it up so much that a CW show looks like big budget by comparison. The cheapness falls squarely on Perlmutter. He’s notoriously tight fisted. A real miser. It’s one of the big reasons Feige got out from under his control. But the buck (no pun intended) has to stop at Jeph Loeb for the creative end of the series. A lot is beyond his control as he explained with certain shows but he still overseas tv. His hands can’t be clean of responsibility either. I don’t know that his I involvement improved Smallville either. Right... Legion doesn't have a giant budget, but is amazing. Netflix's series in general feel much like the superhero tv adaptations we got before STM and Smallville (which in itself was also lacking). I was SO rooting for Iron Fist....now I just want it to die so that it can be rebooted better somewhere..... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 17, 2018 16:29:30 GMT -5
Loeb has said the Fox X-men related tv shows get to do what they want and aren’t under the control of him or Marvel so that explains that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 17, 2018 23:01:12 GMT -5
Loeb has said the Fox X-men related tv shows get to do what they want and aren’t under the control of him or Marvel so that explains that. Loeb's comic work (the ones I've read) seemed fine- and Joss Whedon entrusted him once to take care of what was going to be the animated Buffy series- so it's a bit of a head scratcher how things could have turned out SOOOO bad under his watch.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 18, 2018 9:31:30 GMT -5
Even his comics suffered after his son died. I think something changed in him or he lost something inside.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 18, 2018 11:33:21 GMT -5
Even his comics suffered after his son died. I think something changed in him or he lost something inside. I didn't know about his son- but would make sense for everything to suffer after something like that. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 18, 2018 23:42:18 GMT -5
It’s almost like a line of demarcation. It’s at that exact moment he went from writing the best comics of the era to writing pure trash. Ultimatum was awful. A lot of his work seemed to become more negative and pessimistic. I really do think that loss affected his world view and how that influenced his writing. He had to leave a lot of tv gigs and when he came back to tv he just wasn’t the same man. Like his heart wasn’t in it. I can’t blame him. Losing a child that young has to be a real mind job so I feel for him. My dad never got over my older brother dying. He didn’t lose his marbles or anything but I could tell.
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