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Post by Metallo on Apr 24, 2019 13:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on May 16, 2019 18:12:38 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 12, 2019 15:08:32 GMT -5
No matter how good this may or may not be.... truly sad that they get a notice of cancellation three episodes before the end & have to wrap it up asap. Truly shows just how badly managed WB/DCU is. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 12, 2019 19:44:56 GMT -5
It’s gotten good reviews but as you said WB/DC are running things terribly. If it is a question with the tax rebates it’s something that never would have happened with Disney. I think it’s more than that. Some kind of internal power struggle or disagreement. Like you said just shows how poorly managed things are there.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 13, 2019 0:32:39 GMT -5
It’s gotten good reviews but as you said WB/DC are running things terribly. If it is a question with the tax rebates it’s something that never would have happened with Disney. I think it’s more than that. Some kind of internal power struggle or disagreement. Like you said just shows how poorly managed things are there. It's bad when even the horrible Iron Fist at least got to finish its seasons out, and this one dies and is considered worth cancelling even before the ratings come out on the pilot!  |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2019 14:46:17 GMT -5
The dc streaming service always seemed mismanaged and misguided to me. Good but idea on paper but it’s like they didn’t think it out enough. They made a huge misstep with those early Titans trailers.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 19, 2019 18:23:38 GMT -5
The dc streaming service always seemed mismanaged and misguided to me. Good but idea on paper but it’s like they didn’t think it out enough. They made a huge misstep with those early Titans trailers. Agreed.... even as big a mess as many of the DC shows have been over the decades.... I've never heard of a series cancelled midstream before it even airs! |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 20, 2019 10:22:34 GMT -5
I think that was a sign of a major pissing contest/ego clash behind the scenes to send a message. Someone didn’t want this show to be a success even if the tax credit problem wasn’t there.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 21, 2019 15:14:11 GMT -5
I think that was a sign of a major pissing contest/ego clash behind the scenes to send a message. Someone didn’t want this show to be a success even if the tax credit problem wasn’t there. Had to be... but with so much money in place, you would think that there would be cooler heads. Instead, something that could have been good gets sabotaged to the nth degree. IMO that's either the same as what Lester did with SII, or else Lester just REALLY felt it should have been a comedy over drama. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 21, 2019 11:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 23, 2019 23:59:11 GMT -5
I think that was a sign of a major pissing contest/ego clash behind the scenes to send a message. Someone didn’t want this show to be a success even if the tax credit problem wasn’t there. I read somewhere now that it really was an accounting error & that with the other CW shows, Netflx more than makes up for the costs.... but with Swamp Thing being so expensive & no Netflix--- WB didn't want to pickup all the costs & pulled the plug asap. Yow. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 10:40:59 GMT -5
I tend to think both with the way this whole thing went down. Swamp Thing got canned before the second episode even aired. Thats very unusual. They usually try to wait to least get people to watch. It’s almost like someone didn’t want people excited about the show. There are also rumors that WB may want a movie.
Financial issues could have been worked out for season 2. Move the show to Louisiana or Florida if possible. The old show filmed in Florida.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2019 12:26:31 GMT -5
I tend to think both with the way this whole thing went down. Swamp Thing got canned before the second episode even aired. Thats very unusual. They usually try to wait to least get people to watch. It’s almost like someone didn’t want people excited about the show. There are also rumors that WB may want a movie. Financial issues could have been worked out for season 2. Move the show to Louisiana or Florida if possible. The old show filmed in Florida. If I can find the video again, I'll link to it- it made a pretty convincing argument that Swamp Thing just cost through the roof & that WB ended up eating wayyy too much of it, with no Netflix to pick up the tab. Apparently Netflix is why the CW shows production wise are able to look as good as they do.... but then it really leaves me scratching my head as to why the Marvel shows looked so bad- but then again, you're right- perhaps shooting on location is actually far more expensive even though it ends up looking far cheaper in some ways if the city isn't all that visual.... |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 13:01:06 GMT -5
Shooting on location is far more expensive than shooting in studio or sound stages. You can’t always control the conditions on locations especially if it’s outdoors.
As far as Netflix vs CW shows it’s probably an issue of shooting in Vancouver helping them save money compared to where the Marvel Netflix shows filmed and Marvel tv probably not chipping in as much compared to Netflix. Perlmutter is notoriously tight-fisted. Even though he’s not in power now some of those deals were probably still in place afterwards.
I’m sure costs were through the roof on swamp thing but if WB really wanted keep it around they could make changes and bring it back for a second season. That’s what happened with Supergirl. It was too expensive to shoot in LA and keep it on. The difference this time is WB OWNS their Initial method of distribution whereas they didn’t own CBS.
I think the entire dc streaming service will be undergoing major changes once the HBO streaming service is up and running.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 20, 2019 15:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Nov 12, 2019 16:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Nov 21, 2019 19:32:57 GMT -5
 Looks like the new Stargirl series will air on the DC Streaming service and on The CW. Its not part of the Arrowverse though. Seems confusing to do it that way but I guess they don’t have faith in the service and want to hedge their bets by having it on CW too. You’d think they’d just save it for HBO MAX. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 21, 2019 20:22:39 GMT -5
Looks like the new Stargirl series will air on the DC Streaming service and on The CW. Its not part of the Arrowverse though. Seems confusing to do it that way but I guess they don’t have faith in the service and want to hedge their bets by having it on CW too. You’d think they’d just save it for HBO MAX. After the Swamp Thing debacle (how on earth do you a cancel a series already 80% in the can before it reaches the end before you even know how the first season does?).... I don't know how ANYONE can have faith in the service. One thing for sure--- if James Wan was a 'top lister' for his box office success and had that happen to his production.... what kind of message does that have for any other talent they're trying to attract? Who would want to put the time and effort into something that gets yanked before it even airs? |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 7, 2019 19:35:54 GMT -5
I know it’s probably targeting younger viewers but this looks like something that would fit right in on the Disney Channel.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2019 10:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 11, 2019 12:35:34 GMT -5
In the "Crisis Aftermath" show, Geoff Johns said that he based the character on his late sister- so I assume that he's overseeing the quality control on the show with a close eye. I love Johns' writing, but I'm only mildly curious, truth to tell.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2019 13:32:08 GMT -5
He did. She was killed in a pretty high profile plane crash. That’s one thing that gives me some hope for this. The second trailer looks much better but I never was a huge Stargirl fan and I’m guessing the show will skew young. I’ll give it a shot though.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 12, 2019 4:24:26 GMT -5
He did. She was killed in a pretty high profile plane crash. That’s one thing that gives me some hope for this. The second trailer looks much better but I never was a huge Stargirl fan and I’m guessing the show will skew young. I’ll give it a shot though. I feel like I haven't caught up with all the superhero adaptations for the characters I really like, let alone a new one. It's crazy when even I feel like there's too many mediocre superhero shows... especially growing up with what felt like a giant desert of superhero tv shows--- but I think it's more mostly 'meh' or 'good enough' rather than one superlative one. I'm glad that Marvel's not the only one putting out superhero shows- but I'm bummed when shows get repetitive and kind of waste the audience that's there for them. I wonder if many of these superhero tv shows would be better off with a ten episode season run than the 22.... but for sure, the Netflix Marvel shows were NOT a good example of this. On another note- it was interesting to hear that an actor on Arrow had to watch carefully how many 'fake' CGI arrows she was allowed to shoot on Arrow, but on Crisis under Supergirl's budget or fx house, she was told she could shoot as many as she wanted without breaking the bank.... |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 12, 2019 19:50:09 GMT -5
As far as superhero tv there’s not only way too much but few of them are truly great. Lots of good ones but not many can’t miss ones. It’s different with superhero films because you only have to keep up every few months or few weeks at the earliest. With shows it’s easy to get behind. Most people aren’t going to commit to that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 12, 2019 20:48:26 GMT -5
As far as superhero tv there’s not only way too much but few of them are truly great. Lots of good ones but not many can’t miss ones. It’s different with superhero films because you only have to keep up every few months or few weeks at the earliest. With shows it’s easy to get behind. Most people aren’t going to commit to that. To me the amount of greenlit tv series were a rare opportunity for tv showrunners and writers to really adapt all the best of the decades of materials for each series (not just the action but the character stuff) and show how good a comic book story come to life could be. in my eyes, only Daredevil season 1 (maybe 3 to a degree too) and bits and pieces of the Berliantiverse hit that bar for tv. Hopefully Kevin Feige can get the right people on the Marvel tv universe to get the bar raised before the superhero tv shows implode altogether. Just too many mediocre shows out there that can't help but dilute the appeal after awhile. |
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