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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 28, 2021 17:44:53 GMT -5
Their motivation was misguided. They were clearly trying to cash in on the popularity of Harley Quinn ASAP. That came first over a good idea, good film concept, good story, etc. In viewing the behind the scenes and whatnot- I mainly wasn't their target audience, but young women who liked Harley. The changes to Huntress and Black Canary were really off the rails- but, again, I wasn't their target audience. Making it 'r' didn't help them. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 28, 2021 22:32:27 GMT -5
It really didn’t need to be R. That just felt like them chasing a trend. It wasn’t even a question of target audience to me. The film was just made without thinking it through enough.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 29, 2021 2:46:01 GMT -5
It really didn’t need to be R. That just felt like them chasing a trend. It wasn’t even a question of target audience to me. The film was just made without thinking it through enough. The director wanted a good film, but her choices and rationales behind everything was way off from what I felt was the best way to go. More and more it's clear that WB/DC needs a Kevin Feige. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 30, 2021 10:31:55 GMT -5
I think the issues go above the director. Everything from the script to the studio to Robbie herself. It was more about capitalizing on Harleys popularity than them having a good idea.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 2, 2021 23:28:19 GMT -5
I think the issues go above the director. Everything from the script to the studio to Robbie herself. It was more about capitalizing on Harleys popularity than them having a good idea. It takes a certain mood to watch the film. It's a fun silly film- it's far better than Catwoman and Elektra for sure... but that's not saying much, I know... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2021 18:29:39 GMT -5
I don’t mind the tone and the mood they were hoping to tap into but the finished product is flawed for what it is and I do think they missed what they were going for. Like I said they wanted to cash in on Robbies popularity as Harley Quinn but it feels like they threw a movie together instead of really taking the time to develop and hammer out something better.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 10, 2021 1:37:02 GMT -5
I don’t mind the tone and the mood they were hoping to tap into but the finished product is flawed for what it is and I do think they missed what they were going for. Like I said they wanted to cash in on Robbies popularity as Harley Quinn but it feels like they threw a movie together instead of really taking the time to develop and hammer out something better. Supposedly Margot Robbie was really hands-on as a producer on Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey- and the decision to be off-center and not traditional with the adaptations of Black Canary, Huntress, etc.- made for a film that didn't feel like a comic book film at all, but a silly romp. It has a weird sense of humor that I was suprised by and enjoyed the first time- but I don't know if I could sit through it again now. It was much better than the trailer, but that's not saying much. If it was it's own thing and not called Harley Quinn nor included the Birds of Prey, I would have thought it was a cute amazing weird small film.... not a $200 million what-the-heck-is-this quasi-'superhero' film. |
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Post by Metallo on Jan 14, 2022 22:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 15, 2022 12:31:59 GMT -5
The opening credits are hilarious. Gunn is a mixed bag, but he definitely has a vision for things and thinks out of the box. With WB/DC not really knowing what they're doing, it's good if they're choosing artists and letting them run the way that they want with it.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 9, 2022 17:59:15 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 10, 2022 1:03:19 GMT -5
I don't know about a Penguin show- given how "Gotham" was pretty underwhelming to me.
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Post by Kamdan on Mar 10, 2022 7:49:13 GMT -5
I don't know about a Penguin show- given how "Gotham" was pretty underwhelming to me. There is a virtue in the fact that this series will not be done by the CW or Fox. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 10, 2022 10:07:05 GMT -5
I don't know about a Penguin show- given how "Gotham" was pretty underwhelming to me. There is a virtue in the fact that this series will not be done by the CW or Fox. It depends on who is working on it more than the network. HeII Batman TAS was on Fox. Superman & Lois is on the CW and it’s the best Superman show in years. One of the best dc shows on right now. Meanwhile even the HBO Max Shows have their ups and downs. Titans is not very good imo and no surprise look who is involved with it. My faith in Penguin is down to Reeves involvement. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 10, 2022 10:13:52 GMT -5
I don't know about a Penguin show- given how "Gotham" was pretty underwhelming to me. I think Penguin could be fantastic. A Batman related show with less Batman can work it’s just that so far they’ve all either had weaker talents involved behind the scenes or it was the wrong approach from the get go. Gotham was a dud because they clearly wanted a Batman show without Batman. It’s the same trap Smallville fell into at times. If they’d stuck with their original Gotham PD/Gordon prequel idea and had better people making the series it could have been something worthwhile. Instead we got a mediocre Batman lite series. With Penguin he’s clearly going to be the focus. My only fear is WB stretching themselves too thin as well as over saturating the market. There’s already so much content out there and people can’t watch everything. Marvels had far more success and a has more loyal audience right now and even for them it’s a risk. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 11, 2022 3:09:29 GMT -5
I don't know about a Penguin show- given how "Gotham" was pretty underwhelming to me. I think Penguin could be fantastic. A Batman related show with less Batman can work it’s just that so far they’ve all either had weaker talents involved behind the scenes or it was the wrong approach from the get go. Gotham was a dud because they clearly wanted a Batman show without Batman. It’s the same trap Smallville fell into at times. If they’d stuck with their original Gotham PD/Gordon prequel idea and had better people making the series it could have been something worthwhile. Instead we got a mediocre Batman lite series. With Penguin he’s clearly going to be the focus. My only fear is WB stretching themselves too thin as well as over saturating the market. There’s already so much content out there and people can’t watch everything. Marvels had far more success and a has more loyal audience right now and even for them it’s a risk. The weird thing is that the showrunner for Gotham was the same as the one who did the FANTASTIC 'Rome' miniseries on HBO. I thought it was going to be a slam-dunk, but the tone was weird and all over the place, as was the writing. Bleugh. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 11, 2022 13:46:31 GMT -5
I think Penguin could be fantastic. A Batman related show with less Batman can work it’s just that so far they’ve all either had weaker talents involved behind the scenes or it was the wrong approach from the get go. Gotham was a dud because they clearly wanted a Batman show without Batman. It’s the same trap Smallville fell into at times. If they’d stuck with their original Gotham PD/Gordon prequel idea and had better people making the series it could have been something worthwhile. Instead we got a mediocre Batman lite series. With Penguin he’s clearly going to be the focus. My only fear is WB stretching themselves too thin as well as over saturating the market. There’s already so much content out there and people can’t watch everything. Marvels had far more success and a has more loyal audience right now and even for them it’s a risk. The weird thing is that the showrunner for Gotham was the same as the one who did the FANTASTIC 'Rome' miniseries on HBO. I thought it was going to be a slam-dunk, but the tone was weird and all over the place, as was the writing. Bleugh. Bruno hecker. He is also involved with the Pennyworth series which has gotten good reviews. It may be he’s just better with some kinds of material than he is with others. There are plenty of examples of that. Danny Cannon was also involved with Gotham and his track record is less than stellar. I used to think he got a raw deal on Judge Dredd because he talked a good game but now I wonder. Superman & Lois is another example. Todd Helbing is the show runner. People are enjoying that show but were very critical of the job he did on The Flash when he was it’s show runner. Then there’s the factor of interference from the studio, the network, and various executives from both and how they may have wanted these projects changed. Any showrunner has to bend to those outside forces and sometimes it can be difficult to make the show work once the concept has been so compromised at vital points in the process. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 6, 2022 18:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 16, 2022 22:45:06 GMT -5
"It may be he’s just better with some kinds of material than he is with others. There are plenty of examples of that. Danny Cannon was also involved with Gotham and his track record is less than stellar. I used to think he got a raw deal on Judge Dredd because he talked a good game but now I wonder.
Superman & Lois is another example. Todd Helbing is the show runner. People are enjoying that show but were very critical of the job he did on The Flash when he was it’s show runner.
Then there’s the factor of interference from the studio, the network, and various executives from both and how they may have wanted these projects changed. Any showrunner has to bend to those outside forces and sometimes it can be difficult to make the show work once the concept has been so compromised at vital points in the process."
Well said!
That's why it's sometimes so hard to put a finger on things that are successful ips- I remember on the making of doc for the Aliens series that the first one wasn't that micromanaged, but the third one was a disaster partially because of the micromanagement and too many cooks in the kitchen.
Plus- as you said- it's even harder when sometimes someone is just a better fit for certain material.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 11, 2022 0:36:01 GMT -5
"Birds of Prey" was fun as a small budget indy film- but as a big budget rare adaptation of several characters... ough.
I like the actress in other work, but I haven't liked one actress chosen yet as Black Canary, including this one in BOP. I'd be fine if they rebooted already.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 11, 2022 12:00:28 GMT -5
"Birds of Prey" was fun as a small budget indy film- but as a big budget rare adaptation of several characters... ough. I like the actress in other work, but I haven't liked one actress chosen yet as Black Canary, including this one in BOP. I'd be fine if they rebooted already. Ditto. Of all the spin-offs and solo films this makes even less sense to me than Batgirl even if it’s a direct to streaming movie. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 14, 2022 0:17:10 GMT -5
"Birds of Prey" was fun as a small budget indy film- but as a big budget rare adaptation of several characters... ough. I like the actress in other work, but I haven't liked one actress chosen yet as Black Canary, including this one in BOP. I'd be fine if they rebooted already. Ditto. Of all the spin-offs and solo films this makes even less sense to me than Batgirl even if it’s a direct to streaming movie. Also- logically, if they're going for shared universe, why no Arrow movie in development to connect the two? If there's a logical plan in place at DC, would be nice to know.... |
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