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Post by Kirok on Feb 11, 2009 23:00:52 GMT -5
I don't think Luthor's wealth is something that needs to be explained. Even though he isn't his comic book self in the Donner films (or SIV for that matter), he's certainly a man of great resources with his hideouts, vehicles, and laboratories. He also bought all the property in California under "Lex Luthor Incorporated."
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Post by Metallo on Feb 11, 2009 23:26:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure it HAS to be explained either...but you know darn well a TON of people would complain and call it a plot hole...yet ANOTHER plothole in SR.
I think a QUICK explanation would be a good idea.
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Post by adam15 on Feb 12, 2009 11:59:29 GMT -5
Yeah that opening scene didn't work for me in SR... too dark and gloomy... but I guess the same could be said about the rest of the film!
Of course playing devil's advocate I could say that STM began with a 'dark' scene with the villians...
They shoulda just played up the corporate untouchable Lex ala Carmin Falcone in BB.. a Lex that had tons of connections and revenue streams...
The wealth could have been explained easier via his characterization while moving the film along rather than a boring out of place expository opening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 12:33:19 GMT -5
Do people really dislike the scene where Superman listens to Lois and Richard talking?
Has NO ONE here ever done something along those lines?
Screw it, I think it's a fantastic scene. He forgets where he's from and who he is and truly becomes a hopeless, sad HUMAN BEING in this scene. It's when he flies off that he remembers why he's there. Not for himself. For the world.
Stalkerman? Feh. Superman.
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Post by Legsy on Feb 12, 2009 12:37:59 GMT -5
Do people really dislike the scene where Superman listens to Lois and Richard talking? Has NO ONE here ever done something along those lines? Screw it, I think it's a fantastic scene. He forgets where he's from and who he is and truly becomes a hopeless, sad HUMAN BEING in this scene. It's when he flies off that he remembers why he's there. Not for himself. For the world. Stalkerman? Feh. Superman. EXAAAACTLY! |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Feb 12, 2009 12:55:56 GMT -5
Do people really dislike the scene where Superman listens to Lois and Richard talking? Has NO ONE here ever done something along those lines? Screw it, I think it's a fantastic scene. He forgets where he's from and who he is and truly becomes a hopeless, sad HUMAN BEING in this scene. It's when he flies off that he remembers why he's there. Not for himself. For the world. Stalkerman? Feh. Superman. EXAAAACTLY! its just unseemly, especially when compounded with superman inviting himself in at night to talk to jason. it is superman ,it is innocent , but .., not the kind of awkward kind of thing that lends itself to ridicule that we want to see in a superman movie. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Feb 12, 2009 12:58:21 GMT -5
I don't think Luthor's wealth is something that needs to be explained. Even though he isn't his comic book self in the Donner films (or SIV for that matter), he's certainly a man of great resources with his hideouts, vehicles, and laboratories. He also bought all the property in California under "Lex Luthor Incorporated." I'm not sure it HAS to be explained either...but you know darn well a TON of people would complain and call it a plot hole...yet ANOTHER plothole in SR. I think a QUICK explanation would be a good idea. yeah- we have no idea where he got his wealth in STM or how he bult that lair. we just got persuaded that he is GOOD at swindling people. leaving out the scene would have blended the ceo-president kind of lex and the classic criminal mastermind on the loose. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 12, 2009 14:14:24 GMT -5
people complain about Superman not being relatable and when he DOES have a moment of weakness and yearning they STILL bitch. You really can't please the fanboys.
Singer gives them a more "human" Superman and they shit all over it. Typical.
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Post by adam15 on Feb 12, 2009 14:16:38 GMT -5
Well I like the idea of Superman being the ultimate Boy Scout.. he doesn't drink smoke and tells the truth. In SR they were trying to have their cake and eat it too because they kinda had the boy scout vibe but the eaves dropping was out of line as was Clark in the bar.
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 12, 2009 19:51:07 GMT -5
^^Your Superman sounds so boring to me, like a robot.
You know, even the best of people have moments of weakness. Supes, Jesus, and the Pope included..
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Post by adam15 on Feb 13, 2009 11:11:14 GMT -5
My vote is obvious but what do you all think? If you were on a desert island for the rest of your life and could have STM but had to choose between the Donner Cut OR Superman Returns for it's companion piece, which would you pick?
These would be the only Superman movies you'd see again for the rest of your life.
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Post by Krypton Refugee on Feb 13, 2009 11:24:29 GMT -5
This is easy for me.
Superman Returns all the way.
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Post by adam15 on Feb 13, 2009 11:40:06 GMT -5
Wait wait wait before you all vote for SR know this:: you would never agAin be able to watch Superman II, all the Gene Hackman scenes, Brando, ETC. Would you REALLY want to preserve SR instead of Donner's SII?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 12:19:30 GMT -5
Yup.
The Donner Cut isn't a movie. It's a poorly put together mishmash of scenes that somehow form a slightly coherent plot. The acting isn't even all that great in it.
Superman Returns all the livelong day.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 13, 2009 12:43:38 GMT -5
What Kevin said.
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Post by Legsy on Feb 13, 2009 13:00:41 GMT -5
Second that.
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Post by MAVERICK on Feb 13, 2009 13:11:54 GMT -5
Superman Returns in a heartbeat.
Ima go watch it right now.
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Post by adam15 on Feb 13, 2009 14:36:11 GMT -5
But Superman Returns was just some movie.. the Reeve films are classic peices of cinema (the first 2) I mean even though the Donner cut is a mess at least parts of it are spectacular
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Post by MAVERICK on Feb 13, 2009 14:52:56 GMT -5
I'd say the intention of this Poll got owned.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 13, 2009 14:56:46 GMT -5
There's nothing classic about the Donner Cut. It's a two year old hackjob.
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Post by Legsy on Feb 13, 2009 14:58:55 GMT -5
I like the RDC, but not as a movie. It's a very long "extras" DVD to me.
SR FO SHO!
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Post by matt on Feb 13, 2009 15:14:27 GMT -5
 I would jump out a window if I had to watch RDC again. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 15:15:26 GMT -5
I haven't seen it in a good while. Maybe I oughta get sloshed and watch it with my buddies again. That was a fun time.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 13, 2009 15:18:11 GMT -5
I can't even watch the Donner Cut after I saw this:
Yeah, I know the footage is reused from STM.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 15:21:34 GMT -5
That's really stupid and really funny at the same time. HAHA! Ahhh...
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