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Post by stargazer01 on Oct 17, 2009 21:57:52 GMT -5
^Yeah, I know where you're coming from..
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Post by Valentine Smith on Oct 18, 2009 19:25:08 GMT -5
Mav, despite your hesitations, I still say it's worth a read. And the Smallville TV connections are tenuous at BEST. Plus, I think after issue 2, we're done with his teen years anyway, and it becomes much more about his Kryptonian heritage and introducing (and re-introducing) his Rogues Gallery, as Johns is known to do very well (see his Green Lantern stuff after "Rebirth).
It's (so far) MUCH much more about bringing back some of the more important aspects of the Silver/Bronze age of Superman that were swept under the rug post-Man Of Steel. Namely SUPERBOY, The Legion, Lex's childhood in Smallville, and combining them with the Kryptonian elements of the Superman costume (ala STM).
I see both sides of the "Lex in Smallville" argument, but the bottom line is that for MOST of the characters published history, this was an established and important part of the mythology. Nobody handled it better than Elliot S! Maggin in his comics and novels, which won me over to the idea COMPLETELY. Had "Smallville" (the show) taken more of it's cues from that source re: the Clark/Lex dynamic, it'd be much more interesting.
However, you may be turned off by the first issue, and might want to wait for the trade. But, based on what I know so far, I think it'd be a crime to pass judgment on this too quickly.
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Post by MAVERICK on Oct 18, 2009 20:48:39 GMT -5
I hate the notion of a Superboy. I can take em or leave em. Despise the notion. Hate it. Can't stand it. Sorry man, still hate it. To be honest, being like Smallville & having Lex in his childhood & having Superboy in it are all just about enough to ruin it for me before I even read it. I'm quite sad about it really, as the art really turns me on. But propaganda to connect Smallville & the Reeve films is where I draw the line.  |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Oct 18, 2009 21:20:37 GMT -5
I'm ok with Superboy if he's only active in the 31st Century. I think having the Legion around to help him hone his powers is an essential part of the mythology. And it's fun.
And I think you're greatly overstating the Smallville tv connection.
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Post by MAVERICK on Oct 18, 2009 22:25:18 GMT -5
I may give a chance a few years down the road when the softcover trade hits. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Oct 18, 2009 23:17:49 GMT -5
To be honest, being like Smallville & having Lex in his childhood & having Superboy in it are all just about enough to ruin it for me before I even read it. I'm quite sad about it really, as the art really turns me on. But propaganda to connect Smallville & the Reeve films is where I draw the line. I don't like it either, and I think I already mentioned it in this thread. It's just too much coincidence and just plain cheesy, imo. I also hate to see teen Clark wearing a 'red jacket' like his counterpart from that show. But I'm still giving it a chance I guess. Need my Superman fix.  . |
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Post by MAVERICK on Oct 18, 2009 23:18:45 GMT -5
I'll get mine by reading Kingdom Come again soon  |
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Post by Kirok on Oct 19, 2009 3:20:43 GMT -5
As for connecting "Smallville" to the Reeve films, you can blame Bryan Singer and SR for most of that. With SR being a continuation of the Donnerverse, "Smallville" was required to adhere to certain things such as Pa Kent dying and the Fortress being the Reeve Fortress. This is why the series took the shift it did in the fifth season with SR coming out that summer.
If you noticed they were originally going for quite a different take on Krypton and its technology. There was the octagonal disc, the evil Jor-El twist, the Native American caves, and the "8" rather than the "S" being the symbol of the house of El. Much if not all of that development has been retconned away in an attempt to gel with the film franchise.
It's all part of WB's ridiculousness in the relation to their film and television divisions. These are the same people who put a Bat-Embargo on "Justice League" which no longer allowed Batman villains to be featured on it due to the release of "Batman Begins."
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Post by MAVERICK on Oct 19, 2009 7:33:58 GMT -5
So, SR is to blame for the new comic having an angsty Smallville leaning?
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Post by Kirok on Oct 20, 2009 12:24:50 GMT -5
No, but I was referring to the attempted reconciling of the Donnerverse with the "Smallville" universe brought about by SR.
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Post by stargazer01 on Oct 27, 2009 22:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by Valentine Smith on Oct 29, 2009 20:54:19 GMT -5
Issue 2. HOME RUN. All of my little doubts from Issue 1 were eradicated. Gone. Good bye.
One of the best issues of any Superman comic I've read in years. Certainly the best dealing with his early years in MORE than that.
However, if you hate Superboy and The Legion, well...it ain't for you.
My only real complaint? I wish Lex were more sympathetic. I wish there actually WAS a Clark/Lex friendship (ala silver/bronze age, NOT ala Smallville) so that his fall would be that much more tragic.
Now I'm on board. Can't wait for the rest of this.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Nov 15, 2009 11:55:46 GMT -5
I'm ok with Superboy if he's only active in the 31st Century. I think having the Legion around to help him hone his powers is an essential part of the mythology. And it's fun. And I think you're greatly overstating the Smallville tv connection. yeah-otherwise a superBOY makes NO sense at all. ...sigh.. i miss the pre-crises simplicity.. one superman was always just superman and the other started as superboy. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Nov 25, 2009 20:20:11 GMT -5
Well, issue three hit stands today.
And if anybody had any worries about this being a "Smallvill-izing" of the Superman legend, this oughtta lay those fears to rest. Forever.
This is the SUPERMAN THE MOVIE-ing of the comic book legend. Long overdue. Couldn't ask for more.
Win.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Nov 26, 2009 23:12:19 GMT -5
Well, issue three hit stands today. And if anybody had any worries about this being a "Smallvill-izing" of the Superman legend, this oughtta lay those fears to rest. Forever. This is the SUPERMAN THE MOVIE-ing of the comic book legend. Long overdue. Couldn't ask for more. Win. ...well friend you have persuaded me to give it a look... |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Nov 27, 2009 8:05:13 GMT -5
You could even pick up issue 3 and pretend it's issue 1. It completely stands on its own.
But, y'know...I really dig the first two issues.
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Post by Martin-El on Dec 1, 2009 14:13:52 GMT -5
After an incredible start, I was dissapointed with Johns' decision to include SuperBoy and the general silliness it inevitably brings. However, issue 2 was bearable if only for the skilfull execution of Clark's struggle. So imagine my suprise when issue 3 is basically as close to a comic adaptation of STM as we are ever going to get? Bumbling Clark? a feisty Lois? Gil Frieson? And...Erm... A Helicopter rescue....? And just look at Gary Frank's Clark Kent;  And his Superman;  Notice any similarity in dialogue? So these guys have got me back into Superman comics as all in all, its a splendid homage. I reccommend getting both this in trade paperback form as well as the excellent Brainiac. it is my feeling they will be the best Superman movies never made... |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 8, 2009 3:37:59 GMT -5
Johns to me gets credit for trying to take what he feels what is the best each incarnation of Superman has had to offer- I don't agree with all of his choices, but I like that his love of the character is so deep, that I trust that he's not choosing any bit to please any particular demographic (i.e.- if he's including a bit from Smallville tv in the retelling of the origin, Johns has had such a superstar credit as THE DC writer right now, that I doubt he could be pressured into including anything he didn't already feel strong about for this, from either the tv show nor the movie division or otherwise).
While I wasn't crazy about Lex meeting Clark early on; it's not a killer for me, as it's so slight.
(It seems more of an ironic passing than the early comic origins where Clark makes Lex bald or the Smallville tv show, where it goes so far into a friendship that it's ridiculous if Lex can't recognize who he is later on when reaching adulthood.)
The inclusion of the Superboy and the Legion--- I actually loved it for two reasons: (1) since I grew up loving the Legion in the comics- and (2) I love the idea of Superboy ONLY appearing in the 30th century (plus there's a great interview I think in Wizard where Geoff Johns' mentions how he always felt that the Legion was the only realistic way that Clark/Superboy could accept himself in his teen years, without any real friends to help in his development as a person)- thus, maintaining the idea that Superman ONLY appears to the public for the first time in Metropolis, after he had become a reporter (which is consistent not just with the movies, but with his earliest appearances in the 30's, too).
Issue #3 is great- though some of the choices for the full-page art is a little odd at times- (A full page of Clark arriving in front of the planet, but saving the helicopter gets 1/4th of the page? Odd choices...)
Anyhow, the saddest news to all of this, though, is reading that Gary Frank/Geoff Johns is MOVING on from Superman after this.....
*sigh*
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Post by upandaway on May 10, 2010 11:00:48 GMT -5
Just been got these 1 - 5 at the free comic day waiting for no 6 now.
Loving each issue.
I did not get the smallville vibe at all from the first/second issue. Loved the copter rescue, things are familiar but very different all the way through.
But I have rarely been reading comics. The last one I got before this was Birthright, which I loved too.
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Post by supes78 on Jul 31, 2010 1:01:59 GMT -5
Gary Frank's Superman and Reeve.  |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 31, 2010 7:18:12 GMT -5
I wish issue 6 would just come out already!!!!
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Post by upandaway on Aug 1, 2010 13:23:45 GMT -5
Its now down for 25th of Aug. Have never waited so long. They keep changing the date.
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Aug 1, 2010 23:55:43 GMT -5
Finally, eh? Good. ;D
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Post by supes78 on Sept 8, 2010 20:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by Costa del Lex on Jan 27, 2011 2:24:05 GMT -5
I just finished reading all 6 issues, I thought it was an excellent retelling. I haven't enjoyed reading a Superman comic as much as this in a long time. I read all six in one sitting, it would have drove me nuts if I hate to wait for each issue over the course of a year!
There were tons of nods to STM, and I love that Superman's first introduction was saving Lois as she fell from a building (with a falling helicopter to boot). The depiction of Clark/Superman is downright Reeve like... I pretty much heard his voice as I read it.
However, even more than the nods to the movie, the most notable thing to me was that the entire arc was essentially lifted from "Last Son Of Krypton", the 90 minute pilot for Superman: The Animated Series. Everything from Clark discovering his origins, to Luthor showing off a new military weapon (and Metallo's creation), the introduction of Parasite (who I thought was created for the series?) and even the final scene with Luthor in his office and Superman hovering outside his window... all right from the pilot. Obviously the writing itself took a deeper direction, but the template was virtually identical... to me that's a testament to just how awesome that show was. In fact, I feel like watching that pilot right now!
Anyway, I'm not an avid comic reader, but I can highly recommend this series. I hate the concept of Superboy as well as Lex coming from Smallville, but those aspects are small in the overall package... so they didn't bother me.
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