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Post by Jimbo on Jun 13, 2011 18:43:30 GMT -5
Mike Hill just posted this in another forum: Hi guys
Ok ,I made some minor changes to the piece. I softened the smile folds under the eyes (a bit daunting, to actually sculpt in silicone on the silicone finished head!) and had a pro photographer shoot him out in daylight (rather than the studio 'werewolf' lighting from before). We didnt have a cityscape so we did it in the mountains to look like the end of first film..but the sun wouldnt play ball so we had to shoot him against greenery.Oh well.Im much happier with the statue and shot.
Cheers.Constructive critisism is useless once a piece is finished. It cant be changed. Its not about being overly sensitive..its about showing some respect to a person who spents months on this piece of art. A piece that people who worked with Chris on the original movie and others projects got emotional when they saw it in person. I created everything right down to the eyeballs. This wasnt a commision,I did it because I love the actor and the character. I think to get a likeness that pleases everybody is impossible..I know that for a fact. Just appreciating a persons hard work is OK you know. Thanks. So I guess constructive criticism was welcome, after all?  |
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jun 13, 2011 19:31:54 GMT -5
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Post by SamH9303 on Jun 15, 2011 10:11:11 GMT -5
Great job, Mike! It looks incredible. I look at it and wish it would have been what we might have seen if CR had been able to make a 5th appearence as Supes. again, great work Mike, if it ever makes a visit to the UK i'd be sure to see it for real in all its glory  |
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Post by mikehill on Jun 15, 2011 22:45:27 GMT -5
This Life size statue is really AMAZING, it needs a big and hard work to do it, I know because I am making one to  The only problem I see is the facial expresion, is not natural because the eyes and the noise belong to a serious expresion and the mouse chicks etc evething below the noise looks happy, wen someone smile, the noise is more open a bigger, the eyes become more small, all the face change. But evething else is amazing, veru realistic and organic. Love it. Isnt this one yours?  |
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Post by matt on Jun 15, 2011 23:15:50 GMT -5
This Life size statue is really AMAZING, it needs a big and hard work to do it, I know because I am making one to The only problem I see is the facial expresion, is not natural because the eyes and the noise belong to a serious expresion and the mouse chicks etc evething below the noise looks happy, wen someone smile, the noise is more open a bigger, the eyes become more small, all the face change. But evething else is amazing, veru realistic and organic. Love it. Isnt this one yours? That was an old one he did a few years back, it was never finished. He is starting a new version from scratch. He will be making a life size like yours, the pose will be based on the standing in front of the flag publicity shot. |
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Post by cking on Jun 16, 2011 4:32:37 GMT -5
Amazing work Mike. The quality of the finishing work on this is absolutely unbelievable. I can see that this must have been a real labour of love for you.
mavcon75 - where are the pics man???!!!
I can't believe we've only seen 2 pics of this statue so far.
Get them uploaded and give us a link to the gallery!!!
What else could be more important than getting that done? ;D
Chris
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 16, 2011 11:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by Super Sebastian on Jun 16, 2011 12:55:52 GMT -5
This Life size statue is really AMAZING, it needs a big and hard work to do it, I know because I am making one to The only problem I see is the facial expresion, is not natural because the eyes and the noise belong to a serious expresion and the mouse chicks etc evething below the noise looks happy, wen someone smile, the noise is more open a bigger, the eyes become more small, all the face change. But evething else is amazing, veru realistic and organic. Love it. Isnt this one yours? Yes Mike! is a 5 years old bust, but it was the first time that I make a bust in my life and i never finish it. but now that I make a few more experienmces modeling and with a studio who is helping me, I can say that this new Christopher Reeve Superman life Size statue that i am doing is going to be the best ever. I cant wait to show something. |
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jun 17, 2011 17:46:07 GMT -5
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Post by Conor on Jun 17, 2011 18:12:19 GMT -5
No offence to Mike his work is incredible and I do believe with the slight and I'm underlining that because the changes are minimal but Seb photoshop of the statue is perfection. Mike, I love it and there is nothing wrong with achieving 99%. No one talked down on your work. By any means, everyone praised it. Hope you don't take offence to anything posted here. |
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 18:26:17 GMT -5
Thanks Conor
Actually myself and other artists such as Bob Causey find what Sebastian does very insulting.
Nobody has a right to alter somebodys else artwork.I'd much rather see his own version rather than screwing with mine. Wouldnt you?
Im a friend with a lot of artists Rick Baker,Steve Wang ,Bob Causey to name a few. I wouldnt dream of retouching thier work.
Actually Im not insulted by the other folks on here. Nobody insulted me. They nitpicked..I got sensitive..thats it. I like this site. Ive actually corresponded with Maverick several times. I also met Mavcon,real nice guy too.
The Reeve tribute I created is my interpretation and Sebastian has no right to alter it.What Sebastian does takes no talent .And it proves nothing. Anybody on here can use photoshop and a smudge tool. What exactly is he trying to show?
Why doesnt he use the same tools to make his version above look like Reeve? Because its pointless.
Again its my interpretation. Sebastians is above..I didnt try and improve his pictures. Its his interpretation.
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jun 17, 2011 19:06:23 GMT -5
i do agree that it's kind of insulting to photoshop another artist's work. it's great when sebastian does it to photos, but i think it's unwarranted here. however, i also doubt he meant any malice with his post.
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 19:11:44 GMT -5
Hey Jack, May not but if hes really an artist then what hes doing is wrong and as an artist he should see that. I just talked to Bob Causey,he feels the same way. So far Sebastian has altered mine,Bobs,Hot toy,CM...and thats off the top of my head. I mean and Im saying this in all honesty..what the heck is he trying to prove? I'll bet you or I could take a pic of Christian Bale and make it look like Reeve with some photoshop manipulation. The only reason anyone would do it is to try and make the original look bad. Again,lets see him alter the pic of his own because I dont see Reeve at all in it. Thanks. |
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 19:19:15 GMT -5
Sorry cant get pic to load...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 17, 2011 21:12:46 GMT -5
I can understand why someone who hasn't had much interaction with Sebastian to feel like it's an attack to alter a picture of something that's trying to capture a specific human likeness---
But...
If you've seen Sebastian's posts, from fan cuts to altering multiple photos from ALL different sources, I think it's a giant mistake to assume that Sebastian has negative motivations or intents against you or your work personally. I look at it as Sebastian as like a scientist, trying to reach the 'holy grail' of likeness perfection- and often when I see his different manipulations, I'm always shocked how his slight move of a nose or an eye for ANY photo feels more 'Reeve' to me.
If technically speaking, he didn't alter your sculpture, he altered a 2-d IMAGE of your work.
Still..... perhaps he should have asked for your ok, though, first, out of respect for the pain put into the sculpt done from the heart. A 2d alteration isn't the same work as a 3d, of course.
Anyhow- Sebastian doesn't strike me as someone out to intentionally insult anyone. He's made a lot of suggestions on my fan cut on what he thinks could be changed as well, but I take it as a compliment that he took the effort seriously enough to comment on it.
Again- doubt it was an intentional insult. Just sayin'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 21:52:18 GMT -5
thats superb to be honest. Really tough to capture a likeness like that but you've done a superb job.
Bob Causeys stuff is out of this world too. I always wished i could afford his silicon 'David' from the lost boys.
I used to be big into prop collecting to have seen most of this stuff, steve wang does great work too.
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 21:57:03 GMT -5
Sorry I dont agree. Of course an artist will feel insulted if you alter his or her work..just ask Richard Donner.
If I had asked for his input,then OK.,.but I didnt nor do I agree with his changes.
Alex Ross is a good friend of mine too...trust me he wouldnt be happy if I altered his work. No true artist would.
Its demeaning and thats a fact.
Now Ive made my feelings known theres no need to keep going back and forth.
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 21:59:43 GMT -5
thats superb to be honest. Really tough to capture a likeness like that but you've done a superb job. Bob Causeys stuff is out of this world too. I always wished i could afford his silicon 'David' from the lost boys. I used to be big into prop collecting to have seen most of this stuff, steve wang does great work too. Thanks Kristopher. Likeness are tricky.You just have to give them your best shot. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 17, 2011 22:12:00 GMT -5
I'm an illustrator. I know that I've come across art students that say I'm not a 'real' artist because I don't do earth-shattering work apparently only (according to them) true artists go to art school paid for by their parents--- so, the definition of who IS and ISN'T a true artist I find very shaky....
I know I don't know Alex Ross, does that not make me a true artist and not have a valid differing opinion?
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 22:34:02 GMT -5
I'm an illustrator. I know that I've come across art students that say I'm not a 'real' artist because I don't do earth-shattering work apparently only (according to them) true artists go to art school paid for by their parents--- so, the definition of who IS and ISN'T a true artist I find very shaky.... I know I don't know Alex Ross, does that not make me a true artist and not have a valid differing opinion? I have no idea what point you are trying to make. You are entitled to your opinion. But it isnt your piece.Its mine. And my opinion is I dont want this person touching my photos. |
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Post by heman on Jun 17, 2011 22:34:51 GMT -5
Sorry I dont agree. Of course an artist will feel insulted if you alter his or her work..just ask Richard Donner. If I had asked for his input,then OK.,.but I didnt nor do I agree with his changes. Alex Ross is a good friend of mine too...trust me he wouldnt be happy if I altered his work. No true artist would. Its demeaning and thats a fact. Now Ive made my feelings known theres no need to keep going back and forth. You know Mike, I have to agree in more ways than one with this. I know bobby and and have stayed at his house and spent countless ours on the phone with him and I know he would agree with this. Cant say for sure as I dont know sebas, but from what Ive seen, I dont think there was any malice, but thats not to say he should have done it. Im no artist like you, bobby or howard, but I was a sketching artist. I did a portrait of my wife years ago, and at the time I thought it was the greatest thing, and if I had posted my hard work to show people and some one altered it to show how it couldve been better, your dam right I would be insulted!! Weather it made it better or worse in my eyes, thats not the point. I did my best on it at the time and it didnt need to be changed. Now just like you guys, now that time has passed, and as an artist you never stop improving, I look at the portrait and KNOW I could do it so much better if I tried again. If I count correctly, you have tackled reeve 3 to 4 times now and I think bobby is at 4 or 5. With each time your pieces have been that much more real and fantastic. Im sure your reeved out right now, but there will come a time where you tackle him again because you as an artist will always know you will do even better the next time. Suggestions during a production and constructive critisizm is sometimes a good thing, but once a peice has been finished and displayed, suggestions and maipulations just seem to be insulting and serve no point. Wow, havent written in a while, but thats my two cents. Mike.........great acheivement.............as it stands right now, the most realistic fully finsihed reeve on the planet. Congrats! Im sure the next one from you, or bobby will push the limits again, and eachother as artists. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 17, 2011 22:36:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I get huffy when the term who is and isn't a 'true artist' comes up.... so when you brought it up as implying only that a true artist might understand, and brought Alex Ross's name into it, it pushed a button. And it got away from the main point-
That's totally fair & valid. As I said, he probably should have asked first, as a courtesy.
All I was trying to point out, was that it didn't seem like an intentional slight.
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 22:40:09 GMT -5
Sorry I dont agree. Of course an artist will feel insulted if you alter his or her work..just ask Richard Donner. If I had asked for his input,then OK.,.but I didnt nor do I agree with his changes. Alex Ross is a good friend of mine too...trust me he wouldnt be happy if I altered his work. No true artist would. Its demeaning and thats a fact. Now Ive made my feelings known theres no need to keep going back and forth. You know Mike, I have to agree in more ways than one with this. I know bobby and and have stayed at his house and spent countless ours on the phone with him and I know he would agree with this. Cant say for sure as I dont know sebas, but from what Ive seen, I dont think there was any malice, but thats not to say he should have done it. Im no artist like you, bobby or howard, but I was a sketching artist. I did a portrait of my wife years ago, and at the time I thought it was the greatest thing, and if I had posted my hard work to show people and some one altered it to show how it couldve been better, your dam right I would be insulted!! Weather it made it better or worse in my eyes, thats not the point. I did my best on it at the time and it didnt need to be changed. Now just like you guys, now that time has passed, and as an artist you never stop improving, I look at the portrait and KNOW I could do it so much better if I tried again. If I count correctly, you have tackled reeve 3 to 4 times now and I think bobby is at 4 or 5. With each time your pieces have been that much more real and fantastic. Im sure your reeved out right now, but there will come a time where you tackle him again because you as an artist will always know you will do even better the next time. Suggestions during a production and constructive critisizm is sometimes a good thing, but once a peice has been finished and displayed, suggestions and maipulations just seem to be insulting and serve no point. Wow, havent written in a while, but thats my two cents. Mike.........great acheivement.............as it stands right now, the most realistic fully finsihed reeve on the planet. Congrats! Im sure the next one from you, or bobby will push the limits again, and eachother as artists. Exactly! Its none of his business to even touch my art. Nobody asks him. Why does he think he has the right? Maybe there was no malice but its about time he left others peoples alone. He said in a previous post his Reeve will be the best ever(modest...). You know I never critiqhe others sculptures because I know what goes into them. Smudging a picture around is not the same as creating a realistic 3D portrait. |
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Post by mikehill on Jun 17, 2011 22:41:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I get huffy when the term who is and isn't a 'true artist' comes up.... so when you brought it up as implying only that a true artist might understand, and brought Alex Ross's name into it, it pushed a button. And it got away from the main point- That's totally fair & valid. As I said, he probably should have asked first, as a courtesy. All I was trying to point out, was that it didn't seem like an intentional slight. No worries |
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Post by ShogunLogan on Jun 18, 2011 8:46:07 GMT -5
That sculpture is fantastic! I could stare at it all day.
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