Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Dec 12, 2018 18:39:31 GMT -5
 Wow. They’ve got some brass ones to do maybe the biggest most consequences heavy dc story ever. I doubt it’ll go exactly like the comics but I do think it’ll end with several of the different earths collapsed into one. That would make it easier to do future crossovers and give us a proper dc universe on tv. Maybe even a true justice league. All the signs were there that Elseworlds was leading to this but they’re doing COIE earlier than the flash show has planned. It makes sense because when Thawne caused the accident that gave Barry his powers it happened five years earlier than it was supposed to as it did in the original timeline. Since Barry became flash earlier everything has been accelerated not to mention all the time travel and reality alterations between legends and flash. The fear is that several of these shows could be ending or changing and that’s why WB is giving them so much freedom. WB might want Millers flash to be the only Barry Allen so maybe they might kill Barry off or end the show altogether. I really doubt that since they didn’t even do that to smallville when SR got made. Then there’s the possibility of Supergirl ending because Benoists contract will be up and she might want to explore other possibilities. That one carries a little more weight but who knows. Legends and black lightning have the lowest ratings of any Arrowverse shows so they could be on the block. Finally Amells contract will be up soon and after 7 years maybe he’s tired of the grind. Arrow has also run much of its course. There’s only so much more they can do. It’s gonna be very interesting to see what happens next year. If WB really wanted to go all out they’d tie all the previous and current films and shows info this crossover somehow even if it’s just images or cameos. That includes the dceu and the dc streaming service shows. It would be nuts if they could get some of those actors to do anything or even just acknowledge the dceu is part of the same multiverse. |
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 20, 2018 14:19:51 GMT -5
SPOILERS! SPOILERS! Wow. They’ve got some brass ones to do maybe the biggest most consequences heavy dc story ever. I doubt it’ll go exactly like the comics but I do think it’ll end with several of the different earths collapsed into one. That would make it easier to do future crossovers and give us a proper dc universe on tv. Maybe even a true justice league. All the signs were there that Elseworlds was leading to this but they’re doing COIE earlier than the flash show has planned. It makes sense because when Thawne caused the accident that gave Barry his powers it happened five years earlier than it was supposed to as it did in the original timeline. Since Barry became flash earlier everything has been accelerated not to mention all the time travel and reality alterations between legends and flash. The fear is that several of these shows could be ending or changing and that’s why WB is giving them so much freedom. WB might want Millers flash to be the only Barry Allen so maybe they might kill Barry off or end the show altogether. I really doubt that since they didn’t even do that to smallville when SR got made. Then there’s the possibility of Supergirl ending because Benoists contract will be up and she might want to explore other possibilities. That one carries a little more weight but who knows. Legends and black lightning have the lowest ratings of any Arrowverse shows so they could be on the block. Finally Amells contract will be up soon and after 7 years maybe he’s tired of the grind. Arrow has also run much of its course. There’s only so much more they can do. It’s gonna be very interesting to see what happens next year. If WB really wanted to go all out they’d tie all the previous and current films and shows info this crossover somehow even if it’s just images or cameos. That includes the dceu and the dc streaming service shows. It would be nuts if they could get some of those actors to do anything or even sit acknowledge the dceu is part of the same multiverse. Interesting points with shows possibly ending..... Hadn't thought of that- but if they do have Supergirl's show end- then end it like Crisis- and that would make sense for a Supergirl show to go away because WB/DC is developing the movie version- so having Flash and Supergirl die/have cancelled would make sense so that there's less confusion and/or split interest. |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Dec 20, 2018 16:11:34 GMT -5
I don’t think they are. Just throwing it out there as a possibility. There are movies in development and it would explain why they are giving all these shows so much freedom in the last couple of years. The same reason Gotham is being given so much freedom in the last season. Originally they teased this as ten years in the making so why move it up unless they don’t think they’ll be around after next season?
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 21, 2018 2:27:50 GMT -5
I don’t think they are just throwing it out there as a possibility. There are movies in development and it would explain why they are giving all these shows so much freedom in the last couple of years. The same reason Gotham is being given so much freedom in the last season. Originally they teased this as ten years in the making so why move it up unless they don’t think they’ll be around after next season? If this is the case....I would be suprised if they're able to keep a lid on the shows not returning and keeping it as a suprise during 'Crisis' (if that is the plan).... Whether it is or isn't true, though- I do hope that with using this title, that they pull out all stops available and that we see SOME of the older stars that previously played DC heroes show up.... |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Dec 21, 2018 10:01:59 GMT -5
The events of Elseworlds show how easy it is if you really wanted to see Routh or Cain in Superman suits again. They might not be their Supermen but they could do the same thing they did with Amell and Gustins characters. Use the convergence of realities or some reality warping powers to have them swap lives/roles. Palmer could end up in as “Superman” wearing Superman’s costume and Superman could end up in the Atom suit and give fans a nice nod to the past.
OR... they could play their respective characters from previous film adaptations. I think they almost have to if they want it to live up to the COIE story. Shipps appearance was very well received and they came right out and said that he was indeed Barry Allen. They even acknowledged that he looked like Jay Garrick and Henry Allen but didn’t explain it. Between that and that Smallville Green Arrow suit they’ve opened up the doors for a lot of previous films and tv shows to be canon.
They could end some of these shows and hide it for a while since even we don’t know if a show is renewed for sure until April or May. WB could have given Berlanti a heads up years ago and he really doesn’t have to tell most the crew save for a select few. He’d really only have to tell everyone else a few months ahead of time to give them enough time to find other work if he really wanted to hide it. The closer we get to crisis the more we’ll know either way. It’ll eventually leak out if its true just like you said. They can’t hide it forever
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 21, 2018 13:49:51 GMT -5
The events of Elseworlds show how easy it is if you really wanted to see Routh or Cain in Superman suits again. They might not be their Supermen but they could do the same thing they did with Amell and Gustins characters. Use the convergence of realities or some reality warping powers to have them swap lives/roles. Palmer could end up in as “Superman” wearing Superman’s costume and Superman could end up in the Atom suit and give fans a nice nod to the past. OR... they could play their respective characters from previous film adaptations. I think they almost have to if they want it to live up to the COIE story. Shipps appearance was very well received and they came right out and said that he was indeed Barry Allen. They even acknowledged that he looked like Jay Garrick and Henry Allen but didn’t explain it. Between that and that Smallville Green Arrow suit they’ve opened up the doors for a lot of previous films and tv shows to be canon. They could end some of these shows and hide it for a while since even we don’t know if a show is renewed for sure until April or May. WB could have given Berlanti a heads up years ago and he really doesn’t have to tell most the crew save for a select few. He’d really only have to tell everyone else a few months ahead of time to give them enough time to find other work if he really wanted to hide it. The closer we get to crisis the more we’ll know either way. It’ll eventually leak out if its true just like you said. They can’t hide it forever Would be nice if we could get a 'Legion of Superheroes" spinoff before Supergirl finishes, though.... THAT would be nice... |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Dec 21, 2018 14:05:21 GMT -5
I think we could get a Legion show...but it might not be a spin-off or the Arrowverse. We’re getting a Star girl and a JSA but they’ll have nothing to do with the Arrowverse Stargirl and JSA. We could see the same thing with the LOS.
Of course they could do an Arrowverse based legion show even if Supergirl goes off. They’ve already introduced several characters. The problem would be cost. Since it’s the future and it’s so grand a backdrop it would be hard to do without a lot of people complaining if they make it a smaller scale take on the comic. One answer would be to trap a few fan favorite legionares in the present day but again fans might pop poo on that.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 23, 2018 20:52:35 GMT -5
I think we could get a Legion show...but it might not be a spin-off or the Arrowverse. We’re getting a Star girl and a JSA but they’ll have nothing to do with the Arrowverse Stargirl and JSA. We could see the same thing with the LOS. Of course they could do an Arrowverse based legion show even if Supergirl goes off. They’ve already introduced several characters. The problem would be cost. Since it’s the future and it’s so grand a backdrop it would be hard to do without a lot of people complaining if they make it a smaller scale take on the comic. One answer would be to trap a few fan favorite legionares in the present day but again fans might pop poo on that. I know it sounds like beating a dead horse, but the way that Next Generation & Deep Space Nine had a large cast of characters, a couple of standing sets I think would be the way to go production wise for doing a Legion show. I hope if they do it, I hope that it won't be cheapened down to what's there for "Krypton" for the 30th Century..... |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Dec 23, 2018 23:08:16 GMT -5
Krypton shows exactly what the problem is. One of the better looking set bound dc shows and even it looks pretty uninspired to me most of the time. Too small for something like LOS and it would be a lot bigger since it would be going different places. Krypton is just one planet
Star Trek was different because it was mostly based on a single ship or a station. They’re naturally set bound. The planetary sets were where things had to get creative. But they could still usually depend on the ship sets for most of what they had to shoot and even many of those were recycled from the feature films.
|
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Feb 3, 2019 12:48:26 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/cw-teases-crisis-event-more-dc-shows/Looks like they’re admitting it’s gonna end with several of the alternate earths collapsed into one new earth. At least on the tv side. One Batman. One Superman. Hope they finally let Batman show up. It also makes me thing there’s a chance Kara or Barry die. I doubt it. I think there’s an even better chance that Green Arrow or Superman or both might die.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 3, 2019 23:48:30 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/cw-teases-crisis-event-more-dc-shows/Looks like they’re admitting it’s gonna end with several of the alternate earths collapsed into one new earth. At least on the tv side. One Batman. One Superman. Hope they finally let Batman show up. It also makes me thing there’s a chance Kara or Barry die. I doubt it. I think there’s an even better chance that Green Arrow or Superman or both might die. It makes it more interesting to me, for sure. I know I'll end up purchasing all the of the superhero CW series on hard disk sooner or later, but I'm annoyed because about half of the material feels like irrelevant fluff or subplots I could care less about (i.e. the Felicity/Oliver romance, the Barry Allen/Iris West romance).... I do give credit that the Berlianti-verse isn't phoning it in... |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Feb 4, 2019 9:58:13 GMT -5
That’s just a combination of the particular network they’re on as well as the costs of doing 22 episode network shows. Shows with those constraints have always been like that. I know I got tired of episodes of TNG where Troi met a new man or Data took up a new hobby. I’d prefer shorter seasons that aren’t as dependent on filler and less soap opera but we dealt with the same stuff with Lois & Clark and Smallville so it’s nothing new.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2019 0:51:29 GMT -5
That’s just a combination of the particular network they’re on as well as the costs of doing 22 episode network shows. Shows with those constraints have always been like that. I know I got tired of episodes of TNG where Troi met a new man or Data took up a new hobby. I’d prefer shorter seasons that aren’t as dependent on filler and less soap opera but we dealt with the same stuff with Lois & Clark and Smallville so it’s nothing new. I know... but... I lay it more to laziness on the showrunner and writers' parts --- as some of the 'cheapest' shows- "Measure of a Man" was a 'cheap' episode, with talking heads, but then won a few awards I believe.... and the 'Fly' episode on "Breaking Bad" was also fantastic, but I'd read that was done because of a need to save some money as well on that show. So--- they don't HAVE to go with a romance subplot (or in Data's case a new hobby to fill time) as 'fallback' when they're short on money. |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Feb 5, 2019 10:10:38 GMT -5
I wouldn’t necessarily say laziness. It’s more of a time crunch along with some bad decisions or lack of good ideas. I’m sure they’d all like those kinds of shows to be better but they don’t have the time on that kind of schedule to really give each and every episode the kind of attention it needs. Sometimes they luck out and break a great story. They’ve got to fill those episode orders and they’ve only got a limited amount of time to do it. They’re writing and shooting those shows while the season is airing.
It’s not like certain cable shows or streaming shows that have an 8 to 13 episode order AND have the luxury of writing and filming and post producing an entire (shorter) season of episodes and THEN airing as one big finished package. If Stranger Things had a 22 episode season that was produced like a typical broadcast network series you can bet there would be some clunkers.
Measure of A Man wasn’t the most expensive episode but I never saw it as a filler episode either since it was tackling such an important topic. It wasn’t a light fluffy one like Data helping out with the O’Brien wedding. We’ve seen great Trek writers turn in stinkers because of understandable reasons. Michael Pillar was one of the best but we wasn’t immune to a dud.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2019 15:51:33 GMT -5
I wouldn’t necessarily say laziness. It’s more of a time crunch along with some bad decisions or lack of good ideas. I’m sure they’d all like those kinds of shows to be better but they don’t have the time on that kind of schedule to really give each and every episode the kind of attention it needs. Sometimes they luck out and break a great story. They’ve got to fill those episode orders and they’ve only got a limited amount of time to do it. They’re writing and shooting those shows while the season is airing. It’s not like certain cable shows or streaming shows that have an 8 to 13 episode order AND have the luxury of writing and filming and post producing an entire (shorter) season of episodes and THEN airing as one big finished package. If Stranger Things had a 22 episode season that was produced like a typical broadcast network series you can bet there would be some clunkers. Measure of A Man wasn’t the most expensive episode but I never saw it as a filler episode either since it was tackling such an important topic. It wasn’t a light fluffy one like Data helping out with the O’Brien wedding. We’ve seen great Trek writers turn in stinkers because of understandable reasons. Michael Pillar was one of the best but we wasn’t immune to a dud. Good points—- i forgot myself an experience decades ago- At a star trek writers conference open to convention goers, the producers themselves admitted that they started to run out of ideas during the last season of trek, and so, opened the submissions to fans again for a period of time (they initially opened it during the writers strike) once they started realizing they were out of fresh ideas and started to resort to ‘family’ stories... |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Feb 5, 2019 18:06:20 GMT -5
Yeah I remember the fan submission era. I know they got a few out of that. Yeah I agree that does show they’re out of ideas. It happens even to the best. They’d be even less likely to do it now though. Too many legal issues and royalty issues that could pop up. Even if the story idea is great it could take a lot of time to rewrite it to meet tv standards too.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2019 22:13:43 GMT -5
Yeah I remember the fan submission era. I know they got a few out of that. Yeah I agree that does show they’re out of ideas. It happens even to the best. They’d be even less likely to do it now though. Too many legal issues and royalty issues that could pop up. Even if the story idea is great it could take a lot of time to rewrite it to meet tv standards too. The system actually worked pretty well for a few seasons of TNG (and at least one season) DS9 ... but it was the only show on tv to do so. I signed up myself to apply for the opportunity to write a script- but they had different tiers on which they could buy it: they could buy the idea only, or buy the script outright, or even further. I imagine the main reason no one else does, is that the headaches involved (and the money diverted from staff writers) are something that the shows didn't/ don't want to deal with. The legal headaches may have grown from a situation like that (I don't know), but in any case- in a way, producers can get FREE ideas from the internet fan fiction/ whatnot I assume and/or just by reading message fan boards! |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Feb 6, 2019 7:58:34 GMT -5
They already don’t want to pay their own writers royalties when they don’t have to so I imagine they don’t want to pay freelancers forever if an idea or character really takes off.
Legally there’s all sorts of stuff that could happen like writers challenging for ownership which shouldn’t be possible if they bought it outright with the right contracts but you know how lawsuits are. Someone would argue that the contract was fraudulent or something like that.
I think it would be easier to buy an idea or basic plot. Anyone can have a good idea that the staff could automatically flesh out. Trying to read and rewrite a script from an amateur writer might take longer. It reminds me of Marvel buying the black Spider-Man suit design from a fan. It was simple but something they could easily work with.
|
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Jul 20, 2019 20:03:23 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/burt-ward-to-appear-on-cws-dc-crisis/Wow. Was hoping they’d go all out and get everyone they could and it looks like they will. If he is playing Dlck Grayson this will be the first thing to jump this far ahead after the end of the series. It’ll be interesting to see what happened to Robin all these years later. And it’ll be a chance for a touching tribute to his fallen mentor Batman/Adam West.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 23, 2019 23:57:15 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/burt-ward-to-appear-on-cws-dc-crisis/Wow. Was hoping they’d go all out and get everyone they could and it looks like they will. If he is playing Dlck Grayson this will be the first thing to jump this far ahead after the end of the series. It’ll be interesting to see what happened to Robin all these years later. And it’ll be a chance for a touching tribute to his fallen mentor Batman/Adam West. I'm probably the only person in the world who isn't a fan of Stephen Amell --- I'm a little disappointed that he's going to play all the versions of Green Arrow... Would have liked to have seen Justin Hartley come back, but with Welling (Will he FINALLY wear the suit? I doubt it...) , Routh, the original Wonder Woman and Ward (Will Wesley Shipp be there? Hope so)... it is an embarrassment of riches. Wonder if they're all going to work out before then... |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 10:12:59 GMT -5
I actually think that’s a pretty interesting idea. As the Monitors agent Amells Oliver is going to Quantum Leap into all the different versions of Green Arrow on some kind of mission? I’m guessing they couldn’t work out Hartley’s schedule. This Is Us is one of he biggest shows on tv right now.
I’d like to see Welling appear but he has to know everyone finally wants to see him on the suit. Use this as the opportunity to give the fans that. It’s his call. It would still be cool if he does this but if he comes up with some excuse why he should be in jeans and a t shirt I’m sure a lot of fans will be disappointed.
Shipp stays in good shape so for him that won’t be an issue. Plus that suit looks good on anyone. For the others? Routh said he’s hitting the gym. I’m sure everyone else will be in age appropriate clothing of they do end up doing something for this.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2019 12:52:52 GMT -5
I actually think that’s a pretty interesting idea. As the Monitors agent Amells Oliver is going to Quantum Leap into all the different versions of Green Arrow on some kind of mission? I’m guessing they couldn’t work out Hartley’s schedule. This Is Us is one of he biggest shows on tv right now. I’d like to see Welling appear but he has to know everyone finally wants to see him on the suit. Use this as the opportunity to give the fans that. It’s his call. It would still be cool if he does this but if he comes up with some excuse why he should be in jeans and a t shirt I’m sure a lot of fans will be disappointed. Shipp stays in good shape so for him that won’t be an issue. Plus that suit looks good on anyone. For the others? Routh said he’s hitting the gym. I’m sure everyone else will be in age appropriate clothing of they do end up doing something for this. I'm empathetic with getting old and fat...  .... but diet and excercise is never a negative thing, and it's got to be a great incentive for all the older actors to get back into shape regardless.... would be awesome if Burt Ward were a 1960's version of Nightwing...  Still holding out hope for Hartley- maybe he can play Aquaman if not Arrow? "This is Us" is in its final season. Gripping show, but emotionally it's a big drain to see or rewatch. |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 13:10:02 GMT -5
I think if they got Hartley it would be for GA. It would be too cool for them to pass up. I’m not sure WB would even allow Berlantis shows to use Aquaman at this point.
As for getting in shape it is indeed a great incentive when you get paid for it. It’s not just a question of getting in shape but getting in the exact same shape and same measurements for that SR suit. It’s one reason Welling wearing Rouths suit without alterations was totally out of the question on Smallville. If he had suited up it would have been a brand new costume.
Some of that could be worked around with alterations like to a muscle suit and padding but that has to be balanced with wanting Routh to look as good as possible on screen. Erica Durance wore Adrianne Palicki’s Wonder Woman costume but it was not only more cheaply made and thus (literally) more flexible but Durance still didn’t look as good in it as Palicki did. It was a terrible costume but you get my point.
it’d be nice if Ward slimmed down but at his age and with the timeframe it’s hard to imagine him getting much thinner.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2019 13:12:21 GMT -5
I think if they got Hartley it would be for GA. It would be too cool for them to pass up. I’m not sure WB would even allow Berlantis shows to use Aquaman at this point. As for getting in shape it is indeed a great incentive when you get paid for it. It’s not just a question of getting in shape but getting in the exact same shape and same measurements for that SR suit. It’s one reason Welling wearing Rouths suit without alterations was totally out of the question on Smallville. If he had suited up it would have been a brand new costume. Some of that could be worked around with alterations like to a muscle suit and padding but that has to be balanced with wanting Routh to look as good as possible on screen. Erica Durance wore Adrianne Palicki’s Wonder Woman costume but it was not only more cheaply made and thus (literally) more flexible but Durance still didn’t look as good in it as Palicki did. It was a terrible costume but you get my point. it’d be nice if Ward slimmed down but at his age and with the timeframe it’s hard to imagine him getting much thinner. Definitely sucks to be older and wider (I talk from experience).... |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,075
|
Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 13:28:53 GMT -5
Trust me I know the feeling. Not as easy to get in shape compared to when I was younger. I mean yeah I can but it’s neved gonna be exactly the way it was when I was 23 and at my best physically.
|
|
.... but diet and excercise is never a negative thing, and it's got to be a great incentive for all the older actors to get back into shape regardless.... would be awesome if Burt Ward were a 1960's version of Nightwing... 