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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 4, 2019 15:22:51 GMT -5
I don’t think so but maybe the mostly positive reception this is getting won’t go unnoticed by WB and they decided to do something later. This is a total pipe dream that would never happen but I wouldn’t mind if a dc rebirth style situation happened and DCEU history was altered by this and Routh Superman was thrown into the the movies to replace Cavill Superman. In the comics New 52 Superman was killed and Post Crisis Superman took over for him. Then their histories were merged. Do a streamlined simplified version of that with Routh. Convoluted I know but I’d love to see Routh get another shot on the big screen. I'd be fine with that.... but the DCEU is just such a mess now--- just thinking about it gives me a headache. Sadly, I feel like things are going to be in limbo for awhile with Superman- You're right on my overly optimistic guess they're prepping a tv show with Routh. In thinking on it, extra Reasons I doubt Superman will be a tv show- #1: MCU is making so much money, investors might feel like it's going to waste or dilute the box office potential for it. THey might even point to Smallville existing at the same time as Superman Returns, and point to that as part of the box office disappointment. #2: Movie division always looks down on the tv division... or.... the studio thinks of them always in two departments. Otherwise, why keep pushing for separate actors for the tv and movie adaptations? I wonder what JL's box office might have been like if they included Grant Gustin's Flash and/or Amell's Arrow into JL? (We'll never know now...) Reasons I doubt Superman will be a movie for awhile- #3: They're (bizzarely) focusing on Supergirl instead for a movie #4: WB seems to have a history of development heck for Superman.... for some reason.  |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 4, 2019 19:50:54 GMT -5
I’d rather they reboot everything and bring Routh back but that ain’t gonna happen. Wonder Woman and Aquaman will go on. Shazam was still set in the DCEU. So is Suicide Squad 2 and the Harley/BOP movie. We’re in this weird middle ground of some reboots and some sequels. I think we’re stuck with it for a while. I’d be fine with a SR sequel as a stand alone thing too. I think you’re right tho. A new Superman movie is years away. I think it’s the only reason WB is giving CW so much freedom to use three versions of the character.
I think JL was doomed by a number of factors. Snyder being involved and still using his footage as well as people being burned out on his vision because of BvS and MOS. Only way it would have had a shot as a complete reshoot but it was still stuck with Snyder’s Batman and Superman. One of the big reasons they went with MOS when they did was the Siegel’s lawsuit. Now that they’ve been burned again with MOS and SR I think they’re gun shy to use the character on his own again.
With the movies being a mixed bag I wish WB would give the tv division to do whatever they want and use whatever they want. They’re hit and miss but still more consistent than the movies. At least Berlanti has properly laid the groundwork for Crisis which Snyder didn’t even do for Justice League.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 4, 2019 20:39:26 GMT -5
I’d rather they reboot everything and bring Routh back but that ain’t gonna happen. Wonder Woman and Aquaman will go on. Shazam was still set in the DCEU. So is Suicide Squad 2 and the Harley/BOP movie. We’re in this weird middle ground of some reboots and some sequels. I think we’re stuck with it for a while. I’d be fine with a SR sequel as a stand alone thing too. I think you’re right tho. A new Superman movie is years away. I think it’s the only reason WB is giving CW so much freedom to use three versions of the character. I think JL was doomed by a number of factors. Snyder being involved and still using his footage as well as people being burned out on his vision because of BvS and MOS. Only way it would have had a shot as a complete reshoot but it was still stuck with Snyder’s Batman and Superman. One of the big reasons they went with MOS when they did was the Siegel’s lawsuit. Now that they’ve been burned again with MOS and SR I think they’re gun shy to use the character on his own again. With the movies being a mixed bag I wish WB would give the tv division to do whatever they want and use whatever they want. They’re hit and miss but still more consistent than the movies. At least Berlanti has properly laid the groundwork for Crisis which Snyder didn’t even do for Justice League. I wonder if - even if they had a Feige - (and maybe they did with Joss Whedon for a brief while?)- if they're too fractured in opinion to hand over the keys to the whole superhero department anymore, after the Snyder experiment didn't quite work out. In any case.... so glad that Feige is still moving forward with another Phase to keep the bar high. If he wasn't, then we'd just have to rely on WB.... which is hard to have complete faith in at the moment, actually... |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 5, 2019 13:13:45 GMT -5
It’s a leadership issue. They’ve never really had anyone over there at the top who gets it. For this to work they need the right people at the top, they need to hire someone like Feige, and they need to leave him alone. And it has to start from scratch like the MCU did. They never tried to retrofit a new thing into an old thing or vice versa. They didn’t try to cram Garfield’s Spider-Man into the MCU for example which is what they’d be doing if they try to make the Snyderverse compatible with what Matt Reeves is doing. There must be one overarching vision. The MCU also had a clean slate when it comes to quality and success vs failure. Marvel Studios wasn’t carrying the baggage of Sony, Fox, and others failures. WB has burned the audience too many times so it would take a while to earn their trust at that level.
WB owns roadmaps and formulas that work with the Timmverse/DCAU and the Berlantiverse/Arrowverse but they refuse to take them seriously and follow them. Batman TAS and Arrow were the “Iron Mans” of those respective universes. Not as far as quality but when it came to laying a solid foundation of success to build on and charting the creative direction. The creators behind those projects were all more or less on the same page. The DCEU meanwhile was all over the place even with MOS. They wanted what Nolan AND Snyder brought to the table but there can only be one direction.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 5, 2019 13:17:31 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Oct 8, 2019 19:13:42 GMT -5
  Gustin must be geeking out especially with Routh standing next to him as Superman. It’s still a little bizarre to see something like this. Looks like they might be on the Waverider, the legends time ship so it looks like Routh is going to get around a lot. I think this is also the reveal of the new black lightning suit. Already prefer it over the original though it does look very Black Pantheresque. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 9, 2019 15:29:05 GMT -5
Conroy drops some tidbits on Crisis. He’s already been filming. Some mild spoilers.
I don’t want to spoil what he says but who he works with raises more questions. Is he playing the earth one Bruce Wayne? An even older earth one Bruce Wayne from the future (since we know characters from the future are involved)? Is he the Birds of Prey universes Bruce Wayne? A new never before seen earths Bruce Wayne?
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Post by Metallo on Oct 10, 2019 9:30:39 GMT -5
 Pretty sure this is the first look at Tom Cavanagh as Pariah. Guess all these characters end up in a scene together.  |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 11, 2019 12:06:35 GMT -5
 Real? Not real? We’ll find out. Berlanti trying his hardest to make that fan picture a reality even if it’s through Easter eggs and references.  Pretty obvious what the colors of that sweater are a nod to. |
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Post by Kamdan on Oct 13, 2019 1:01:39 GMT -5
Pretty obvious what the colors of that sweater are a nod to.  |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 13, 2019 8:05:28 GMT -5
[/quote] Which is also a nod to his time as Robin without getting into licensing issues. The same way the a misadventures of Adam West covers were a nod to his time as Batman. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 16, 2019 13:05:57 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Oct 16, 2019 14:12:09 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 16, 2019 22:46:33 GMT -5
Saw some images of Stephen Lobo--- not quite the red haired Jim Corrigan I remember from the comics, but not a deal breaker at all, given all the cool stuff promised for this. I am wondering.... any truth to the Justin Hartley rumor back as Arrow? I seem to remember Amiel wanting to play all the versions of Arrow, I can get that. I guess he's earned that right, especially if he's leaving the show. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 21, 2019 18:29:50 GMT -5
I think they’ll make him up for both roles if he plays both. There’s also a new rumor that Amells Oliver Queen gets the power of Spectre at some point. It’s not unprecedented in the comics. Makes sense if Oliver plays a huge role in stopping the Anti Monitor. I could see them leaving him in that role if he doesn’t truly die and would explain why he never comes back home. That way he could come back to the shows as a guest star. Visually they could make it work. Just combine GAs look with Spectre since they both have the green hood.
It seems like they are trying to keep a lot of the comics big moments while putting their own spin on it.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 10, 2019 18:17:41 GMT -5
We’re less than a month away so it’s about the right time for this to drop. Routh’s suit looks much more natural on screen. That muscle suit isn’t so obvious. Not much here. No welling or Conroy or anti monitor. We will see more of that as time goes on and more trailers and tv spots are released. It does make me curious though. The monitor looks different and is that lex Luthor with the heroes? Playing Alexander Luthor Jr’s role in the story perhaps?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 12, 2019 2:04:14 GMT -5
We’re less than a month away so it’s about the right time for this to drop. Routh’s suit looks much more natural on screen. That muscle suit isn’t so obvious. Not much here. No welling or Conroy or anti monitor. We will see more of that as time goes on and more trailers and tv spots are released. It does make me curious though. The monitor looks different and is that lex Luthor with the heroes? Playing Alexander Luthor Jr’s role in the story perhaps? It's a little bit of a pity that this comes out AFTER 'Avengers: Endgame'..... I certainly hope the writing is as good, but I'm skeptical- and my main hope is lots of story with Routh Supes and a quasi-SR wrapup. Probably ain't going to happen, but that's my hope. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 12, 2019 11:30:03 GMT -5
Well that was a movie with movie resources and this is tv. I’m expecting tv results. Nothing on the level Endgame. In some ways the scope of the story is bigger but they don’t have those resources. But as far as laying the groundwork to even try it the CW shows have earned it. They've set this up over several shows for years. But really the Arrowverse or The DCAU are the only ways this story will get close to being properly done any time soon. The real shame is how the movies blew the chance to build to something like this. They couldn’t even get a shared universe or justice league movie off the ground so there’s no way they could have pulled this off within their universe. It’ll be a long time before the movies are in a position where they’ve earned the chance or the good will to try something like this.
The fact that Routh Welling and Hoechlin are playing Superman at all right now is a reflection on how much the Cavill version failed. If Snyderman had been a true undeniable hit live action Superman would be mostly off limits outside of the big screen.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 13, 2019 3:20:09 GMT -5
Well that was a movie with movie resources and this is tv. I’m expecting tv results. Nothing on the level Endgame. In some ways the scope of the story is bigger but they don’t have those resources. But as far as laying the groundwork to even try it the CW shows have earned it. They've set this up over several shows for years. But really the Arrowverse or The DCAU are the only ways this story will get close to being property done any time soon. The real shame is how the movies blew the chance to build to something like this. They couldn’t even get a shared universe or justice league movie off the ground so there’s no way they could have pulled this off within their universe. It’ll be a long time before the movies are in a position where they’ve earned the chance of the good will to try something like this. The fact that Routh Welling and Hoechlin are playing Superman at all right now is a reflection on how much the Cavill version failed. If Snyderman had been a true undeniable hit live action Superman would be mostly off limits outside of the big screen. Good points again. Berlianti is no Joss Whedon, but I definitely have to give him credit where credit is due--- his shows are MUCH better than what Netflix Marvel have delivered (again, Daredevil season 1 and possibly Punisher being the exception)... and he does know how to pull some really smart strings in making fans happy for the most part. The down side is that there's SO much 'filler' in all of his shows, that I can't quite compare it to "Battlestar Galactica" or the best of the Joss Whedonverse- but the action in "Arrow" have been comparable (and even better) than a number of action films and he does keep the shows moving. And... of course.... Routh as Superman again. ((The flip side, cape-clasps on Superman. ;p )) |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 13, 2019 20:54:13 GMT -5
Well to be fair Joss Whedon is no Joss Whedon these days either. Age of Ultron was a mixed bag, Agents of Shield wasn’t what a lot of people were hoping for, and he not only couldn’t fix Justice League but contributed some cringe worthy ideas of his own to it. Some of the issues with Marvel are because of who he had to work with and for but Whedon can still be hit and miss himself. I don’t think Berlanti at his best tops Whedon at his best though. That’s because I think Berlanti works better as a producer or developer the way JJ Abrams does while Whedon can produce/develop and write well.
The Arrowverse shows suffer so much from filler because they’re on that old broadcast network model of episodes per season. That’s behind his control. If they were cut down 6-13 years episodes a season I wouldn’t be surprised if they were all better.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 13, 2019 23:13:23 GMT -5
Well to be fair Joss Whedon is no Joss Whedon these days either. Age of Ultron was a mixed bag, Agents of Shield wasn’t what a lot of people were hoping for, and he not only couldn’t fix Justice League but contributed some cringe worthy ideas of his own to it. Some of the issues with Marvel are because of who he had to work with and for but Whedon can still be hit and miss himself. I don’t think Berlanti at his best tops Whedon at his best though. That’s because I think Berlanti works better as a producer or developer the way JJ Abrams does while Whedon can produce/develop and write well. The Arrowverse shows suffer so much from filler because they’re on that old broadcast network model of episodes per season. That’s behind his control. If they were cut down 6-13 years episodes a season I wouldn’t be surprised if they were all better. Joss Whedon seems to be at his best (at least from what I can tell) when he's a showrunner on his own creation AND has enough creative control. That seemed to happen with Buffy & Angel & Firefly.... but oddly his movies have always felt uneven- the Firefly movie, the Avengers films--- It's almost as if he needs the long form to really feel comfortable with getting grand slams with the writing and directing. In listening to his commentary for the Avengers' films, I like that he seemed pretty open on his mistakes and disappointments in himself---- he did it in a funny self-deprecating way, but it still showed humility (or self-confidence?) to be able to share times when he was overwhelmed. Agents of Shield was misguided imo in inception. Half of the characters I found extremely uninteresting to me and/or lacked credbility. To its credit, it got better with time and very watchable- but not something that I could ever put in my top five. I do wonder: whatever happened to Whedon's tv show that was supposed to come out? Is he being blacklisted? |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 14, 2019 9:32:29 GMT -5
I think he’s just tired of working with networks or wants to do things they aren’t interested in. As good as some of is shows are their success in the ratings have been a mixed bag. None of them were huge hits. Even Buffys quality was pretty even in later seasons.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was kind of a bait and switch on his and everyone’s part. Fans thought he was going to be much more involved since he was selling it but what we got was his brother and sister in law running things. Part of the shows problems were because of all the crap they had to deal with from Perlmutter and Marvel as well as being caught in the middle of the Marvel Entertainment civil war/corporate divorce/Feige-Perlmutter pissing contest.
I don’t blame him for Age of Ultron either. It’s clear he dealt with a lot of interference from the top. I’d imagine all the problems on that movie were one of the final reasons Feige had enough with Perlmutter before Captain America Civil War was the straw that broke the camels back.
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