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Post by booshman on Jun 7, 2018 2:01:03 GMT -5
Though it's very well done, I find the Superman 4 promo pic of Clark distracting on a STM poster. Also, Crown is right about Jimmy, it's a promo shot but flipped the wrong way. Edit: Actually I retract what i said, the more i looks at it the more is wrong with it. Hackman is a flipped image, but the hair has been altered. And kidder has her body the right way, but her face is composited from another shot and flipped. She is made from these 2 pictures, and as a result the angle of her head turn looks weird.
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Post by booshman on Jun 6, 2018 4:47:00 GMT -5
I think you need to re-evaluate what awful means.
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Post by booshman on Jun 6, 2018 4:45:46 GMT -5
I think you need to re-evaluate what out of shape means.
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Post by booshman on Jun 6, 2018 3:33:05 GMT -5
Here are a couple I like. There’s one with Brando sort of off to the side that I like but I can’t find it anywhere. I really like the first one you posted. Is the one with Brando you mentioned this one?
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Post by booshman on Jun 3, 2018 19:39:16 GMT -5
Right click the image yo want to post, and select copy image location. Then in the reply, click the insert image button, it looks like a picture in a frame. Then paste the url in the box. I think you're right about the limited runs. I know Tyler Stout does low run posters for the Alamo Drafthouse that go for big money on the secondary market. All sorts of licensees used, but I guess they don't make enough to cause them a problem. Don't know why Pinto found the idea of Superman 2 so amusing, I thought it was still pretty popular. Here is a variant of the fortress poster I posted:
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Post by booshman on Jun 3, 2018 12:16:28 GMT -5
Any idea what the variant will be like for the poster you posted? The helicopter poster is by Matt Ferguson. I believe it's sold out, as it was released a couple fo years ago. There is an article here where you can see the poster and the variant. io9.gizmodo.com/this-classic-superman-movie-poster-is-simply-super-1775854026He also did this one which is nice. I like it more than the helicopter rescue one. Superman looks off in it to me, I think the poster without him might actually work better. These 2 by J C Richard are also very nice, both sold out though.
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Post by booshman on Jun 2, 2018 22:37:34 GMT -5
That's a very nice poster. Is the helicopter one this one? I like this artwork I found a few years ago:
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Post by booshman on May 24, 2018 22:23:33 GMT -5
"General, I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal."
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Post by booshman on May 22, 2018 19:46:53 GMT -5
The thing is with GOTG, they established that as very comedic, so they could do it again wit the second film. You can argue it went too far, or was forced, but he characters remained consistent. Thor 3 could have been the exact same film, but Thor needed to remain consistent as a character, same with Banner. As soon as we have characters we know acting out of character, it feels off. We know the only reason for this change is reception of previous films, and people gushing about how funny Hemsworth was in the Ghostbusters reboot.
Same thing with Justice League. Superman comes back and is completely different. No in universe reason given, just people don't like the broody version so they changed him. Had they done a Flashpoint story and the result was a more lighthearted DCEU, then I get it, but it was reactionary to the audience. I also hate it when I hear people say JL Superman was proper Superman, he really wasn't. He came off as smug and a poor caricature of what people think Superman is like.
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Post by booshman on May 20, 2018 22:29:14 GMT -5
If Lester pulled off a Thor 3, I would have been fine with going into comedy- But instead, he pulled off Superman 3, which didn't really satisfy anyone (to my knowledge). That's funny because I really didn't care for Thor 3 at all. When I was watching it, I was thinking to myself that they had done a full on Superman 3. In a way though I think Thor 3 is worse. At least in Superman 3, Superman feels like the same character. Thor in Thor 3 felt very disconnected from the guy we saw in the other movies. When he is unaware he is the joke, or has a little wise crack that was fine, but the constant barrage of forced humour in that movie just pulled me right out of it. Even Banner felt totally out of character.
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Post by booshman on May 18, 2018 21:49:02 GMT -5
Hey you don’t have to point out it looks terrible because I agree. Never said it wasn’t. I just said we can’t say for sure what fx shots were down purely to choice because we don’t know the time or budgetary restrictions they were working with. I wasn't pointing out they look terrible for the sake of it. It was to point out that in some instances, doing less would have looked better. I get that some effects, due to time and money, would only ever look so good. The credits for example donn't look anywhere near as good as the ones from STM, but they're decent considering the restrictions. The space backgrounds on the other hand look ridiculous, and would have looked better, and more consistent with the other movies, had they done a plain background. I really don't want to harp on about this, but I feel like you're playing the "we don’t know the time or budgetary restrictions they were working with" card just to be confrontational. We clearly agree they look crap. I'm confused to why you give this a free pass, on what was clearly a bad stylistic choice, but for technical audio issues you say they're down to incomptence. You could just as easily say the high pitched "I'm not a coward Zod" line sounds really bad, but we don’t know the time or budgetary restrictions they were working with.
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Post by booshman on May 18, 2018 1:21:47 GMT -5
My point was that they could have put in any background they wished. The black background of the Supes picture and the sparse star field from Superman 4 look miles better than clipart planets. They could have just gone for the look of the stars in the Lester version, which I assume they had the plates for anyhow, but they went for the crap they used. Poor decision making. Exactly. You assume. Any background from where exactly? A rendered background? That takes time and money. NASA photography? How do you know all of that doesn’t have to be licensed somehow? Could once again...take money. Plates they had? Maybe they would have had to do more to make those old background plates fit with what they had in a lot of ways. Once again optical vs digital. Time and money. We really don’t know enough to say what they couldn’t have done and how. For all we know they just used what they had in their digital/photo archive because that’s what was approved in their budget by Warner or maybe they were told to use certain things because that’s what was approved and it would have been cheaper. How do you know exactly what was and wasn’t Thaus call? Unless you know the specifics of the production you really can’t say for sure. If you watch the Donner cut, the shot of the rocket leaving the Earth has same plate as they used for the elevator shot from the Lester version. So they found that plate, why not others? I am assuming they did based on Thau saying they found most stuff. Also the stars actually look OK until the rocket starts to go end over end, they they change to really colourful and cartoony. If they couldn't find the plates, then there are plenty of WB movies I'm sure they could have taken from. Remember they used a shot from "A Few Good Men" to replace the Mt Rushmore shot. I never professed to know what was and wasn't Thaus call. I just pointed out what, in my opinion, looks fracking terrible and could have been done more cheaply had they done it another way, or not bothered at all. A plain black background costs nothing. They had the actors on blue screen from way back when, they just had to add a backdrop.
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Post by booshman on May 17, 2018 22:01:19 GMT -5
My point was that they could have put in any background they wished. The black background of the Supes picture and the sparse star field from Superman 4 look miles better than clipart planets. They could have just gone for the look of the stars in the Lester version, which I assume they had the plates for anyhow, but they went for the crap they used. Poor decision making.
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Post by booshman on May 17, 2018 19:46:42 GMT -5
I can’t blame him for the fx because clearly the budget they had to work with was small but I totally blame him for his own creative choices and errors. Things beyond budget or what Donner would of wouldn’t have wanted. Some of those music clue choices were all him. Audio errors were down to incompetence. I dunno, FX wise there were some pretty stupid choices made, which could have easily been done better, for less money. The backgrounds when the villains were released would have looked better had they just been black. Or, I dunno, use the space matte paintings already made for the original movie? Also the PZ splitting into 3 was not needed and could have been left out to use their resources elsewhere. Compare these: To this: Or even this:
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Post by booshman on May 15, 2018 2:05:05 GMT -5
Inspired by the revent thread about Donner hating the extended cut. What actually adds to STM? Having gotten over the novelty of seeing extra footage, I now think that most of the cuts were for the best. I think that a couple of scene extensions are good, but the introduction of titally new scenes breaks up the flow. I like the extended Destruction of Krypton. And also the longer walking and creation of the Fortress of Solitude. I was torn about the new Jor El talk in the fortress after Supermans first night. As much as I like that scene, it is redundant. There was already a sad farewell speech at the start of STM and this just feels excessive. And even mire so when you consider there would be yet another farewell in S2 with the repowering. I also like the bullets, fire and ice scene. Reeve looks just perfect there and it is like a comic book come to life. But it doesnt fit with what comes next. He is way too calm when he finally meets Luthor. Hardly acts like he just tried to kill him three times. I think all of extended edition footage is pretty superfluous and even some of the theatrical cut could be trimmed for even tighter pacing. Otis walking through NY for example. It's pretty tight as is, but there are bits that could be further whittled down. I like the extra bit where the rocket avoids Superman. You don't really need it, but it follows on from the "low level avoidance systems" comment and gives a reason why it takes Superman a while to catch it.
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Post by booshman on May 14, 2018 22:23:20 GMT -5
She was really beautiful in STM. I have heard people in my personal life ask over the years why she was picked for Lois and say that they couldn't see why Superman fell for her, which I've never understood.
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Post by booshman on May 14, 2018 22:19:36 GMT -5
To me, the moment where Supes tries to 'hug' his father, but then Brando dissolves was a lot more powerful than I had imagined for even the few seconds. I am curious why the fx on Brando's face were so weird, though- why was the original fx so hard to duplicate? The effects were complete pre 2000 as we see them in the TV cut. I'm guessing they were an early draft of the effect that was never worked on after the scene was cut, so it looks different to the other scenes in the movie. I like the end bit of the scene, but the conversation up to that moment is not needed. 28 hours in a day?
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Post by booshman on May 14, 2018 19:51:59 GMT -5
I get Donner not wanting anything to do with this cut, but he can bugger off with his logic. He can't possibly be unaware of people's interest in seeing extra footage, I remember Thau saying at one point they were going to be putting much more footage back into the special edition version than the 8 minutes they ended up doing, so he's not opposed to having a tinker with the theatrical cut of the movie himself. I'm a little sad to hear that the theatrical is not his preferred cut of the film. It took a really long time to get the original cut of the movie and the original audio. I'm very glad to have it now, and even though I enjoy these extra versions, that is the definitive cut of the film.
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Post by booshman on May 14, 2018 19:42:58 GMT -5
This is sad news to wake up to. She came over as a really genuine and lovely woman that I would have love to have met.
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Post by booshman on May 10, 2018 22:27:10 GMT -5
I like this theory. Someone should make Superman II into a time travel film. I think there's a fan cut out there that did something like this. Yeah, the Deja Vu cut by RKS.
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Post by booshman on May 3, 2018 7:34:49 GMT -5
When I think about it it’s impressive just how little issue I have with stuff like that in STM because compared to newer films things dont really come up as much. It’s pretty impressive. The flipped footage in the Air Force one rescue really bugs me though. It is a shame about that flipped footage, that's something I can always spot in movies when they do it. It's annoying when they reverse footage to extend shots a bit too. They did that a couple of times in Superman 3. One of those shots is when Gus laughs after getting the computer to input 2 sets of co-ordinates in front of the tutor. One thing from Superman the Movie I always notice and I wish I could unsee is just before "Can You Read My Mind". You can see Superman's legs and he is clearly kneeling and not lay down. Sometimes I watch the movie with just the isolated soundtrack option. It’s a great piece of visual storytelling. You don’t even need the audio to understand what’s going on for most of it. Do know about my Superman 3 and 4 custom blurays? I did isolated scores for both of them. The movies are recoloured to get rid of the teal push, and have the original Warner logos added to the beginning. Superman 4 also has the 2 scenes from the international version.
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Post by booshman on Apr 23, 2018 22:22:45 GMT -5
It must be, even $500 a show would have surprised me.
David Wilson's section is funny, he must be kidding when he says "Christopher Reeve took a bunch of my bits that I had done, including how I used two different voices for Clark and Superman. I used a different, lower register when I was Superman." Either that or he is unaware of the radio show and Fleischer cartoons.
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Post by booshman on Apr 23, 2018 19:59:08 GMT -5
I just started to read this and the first Superboy guy says his contract was for $50,000 a show. That would be the equivalent of $413,630.87 today. Surely he's mistaken?
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Post by booshman on Apr 19, 2018 2:01:22 GMT -5
"I found it!"
"She found it"
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Post by booshman on Apr 18, 2018 22:30:22 GMT -5
Youd see II first before any of them but unless you just mean the IV tv cut with the tornado and Russia scenes it’s hard to believe WB would spend the money to complete the fx for all the other footage. I have to wonder how much of Superman 4 is actually sat complete somewhere. The effects for the tornado and Red Square scene are incomplete in the extras, but we know they were complete as they are on the international VHS and laserdisc releases. The oddly consistent repeating damage on the deleted scenes, as well as they odd temp music just never added up to me. I think there has to be a more complete version out there.
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