Some ideas for Superman 2

[TylerDurden389]

Hey everyone,

I've gone back and forth with CAM and Booshman a little bit this past week giving them ideas on what they could do to improve their effects for their Superman 2 fan cuts, as well as some new ideas that I don't think anyone has come up with. I'm putting these ideas out publicly because while I'm not sure who else here who has done a fan cut of S2 is experienced with rotoscoping, but seeing as how I'm probably never gonna get around to it (way too busy with school right now), I want you guys to know my ideas not just because I hope maybe someone will give them a try, but also for your opinions regardless.

Ok, first thing's first. The re-powering scene. I don't wanna give away what Booshman has done for this sequence, but for anyone who has been following it and seen the back cover art, you know what it's mainly going to be. With that shot finally completed, it's time to see if more can be added onto it to really complete the scene as a whole.

Now, first I have to go off the beaten path here and mention a radical idea. I know that, for the most part, the scene was shot where Jor-el gives up his spirit to repower Superman. He touches his shoulder, Clark convulses, begins to glow from the inside, is bathed in white light, and then cut to him lying down. However, I've wondered if it would be possible to re-do this scene as it was originally scripted and storyboarded.

We all remember how it was originally planned to have Jor-el shoot laser beams out of his eyes, and Supes gets his power back that way. Well, what if we took the shots of Jor-el's face from the deleted scene in S1 (after Supes' first night), and simply add laser beams coming out of his eyes? Cut to the shot of Clark convulsing, then cut to that far shot from behind where we don't see Reeve's face (because it was a double). This is the shot when he has his arm up, and the crystal face goes over him and passes through the eye.

There are 2 shots of Jor-el that could be used here. The first is the shot of him opening his eyes, and then says "You...enjoyed it?" Just use the first second or 2 of that shot (omitting the dialogue) and uses the shot for whatever. heck, instead of having Jor-el fade away by simply freezing up and fading away as he goes off to the right (as it was done in the Donner Cut), you could have Jor-el shut his eyes, and then fade away by simply reversing the shot.

Or you could use the close-up of Jor-el's face at the end of this deleted scene when he says "If it were not for vanity, I could embrace you in my arms...My son". There is a LONG pause between those 2 sentences. Jor-el is smiling in this shot. This shot could be used here for the re-powering almost perfectly. Not to mention that the effect for his head would be the way it should be since this is a S1 scene.

Another idea, as I've said before, is to re-use and rotoscope the shots from S1 when Eve saves Superman and he flies through the ceiling of Lex's lair. However, the problem is, which shots do you use for the background, and how do you go about finding a "ceiling" for the FOS? Here's what I think could work. For the shot of Superman flying straight up,the shot when he's flying towards the camera (after he says "Stand aside now"), the background plate that could be used here could be the shot of Lex and Eve at the FOS when they are about to approach the control panel. This is the shot where they aren't talking, and are slowly making their way over to the panel. It's the shot right after he asks her "Why didn't you go before we left?" By removing Lex and Eve from this shot, and adding the rotoscoped shot of Superman from S1, the shot could work. Mostly because the angle is ALMOST a birds-eye-view (Though it's more of a 3/4 angle. Nevertheless, the angle is above the ground). Also it would make sense continuity-wise, because that's where Clark is pretty much standing when he sees Jor-el for the last time.

However, since there is no shot of the fortress ceiling, the next shot would be an outer shot of the fortress (the one we've seen a million times. the one they cut to after Supes gets his power back.) Then we could have Superman flying straight up, coming out of the fortress roof. Then cut to a rotscoped shot of Supes flying (use any random unused flying shot from either 2,3,4 or even the KCOP), and make it look like he's flying away from the fortress.

Now, I'm not sure how many of you have seen CAM's work, but he did a nice little effect where he has Supes fly out of the FOS to go and get dinner, instead of simply walking out of frame. I'm not sure which shot this is from, but what could be done is, using a shot of Supes from the side where he flies straight up (maybe the shot of him flying up from S1 when he turns off the power at the power plant), you cold have him fly up with the background shot being either:

1) The shot of Lois in Superman's shirt during the Donner Cut repowering. Just take her out of the shot.

2) The shot of the control panel when Supes is turning on the lights as he's about to talk about the green crystal. Again, simply remove Supes and Lois out of the shot, and also edit it so that the control panel is now "destroyed". Again, add in the shot of Supes flying straight up.

3) The other shot of the control panel when it explodes during Lester's depowering. It's a good close-up of it. Just freeze the frame at the beginning, and make it look destroyed. Then just roto Supes into the shot.

The last BIG idea I've had requires a small change in preference. See, I like using Zod kicking Supes into the statue of liberty, but, what if we had that shot rotoscoped to look like it was happening in the FOS during the big showdown in Lester's version? Then use the shot of Supes flying back from S3 where he hits the wall and passes out. Then cut to the shot of Lex falling down (the one right before Zod says "Did you really think we'd give up our advantage?"). Then cut to Supes coming to his sense (again the shot from S3), and have Zod begin his speech.

Ok, that's all I'm saying for now. Opinions, let's hear 'em.

[crazy_asian_man]

Based on the response- I have a feeling that there aren't many fan cutters left here, Tyler...
*o well*...*sigh*

It's rare that anything is easy to rotoscope or erase. In concept it may well be- but it's funny (in a sad way) how many things you don't anticipate can come up with every shot- it's a different story.

SOMETIMES it's easier than you think or as easy as one would think, but.... I'm not suprised that there are so few rotoscopers out there working on this- regardless of the final result, it can be a pain in the arse.

On the flip side..... I will work on finding that video tutorial & link it up this week, apologies for those who wanted to see that for the delay-

[TylerDurden389]

Yeah, I think the Superman 2 horse has been beaten to death lol. With talks about the next film beginning to brew, it's time to forget about the old and concentrate on the new. I did wanna know peoples thoughts on my ideas though. That's ok guys, you'll see them soon enough. I've actually reached the point where, if you (CAM) can't do some or any of the ideas I've mentioned, I think I may finally take the plunge and get to work on trying out rotoscoping for myself. Even if I just do a test run where the tracing isn't 100% (or even 50%), I want everyone to at least SEE what ideas I have in my head.

[Jimbo]

Yeah, totally beaten to death, sorry.

It fizzled out around the end of 2007.

[crazy_asian_man]

I think I may finally take the plunge and get to work on trying out rotoscoping for myself. Even if I just do a test run where the tracing isn't 100% (or even 50%), I want everyone to at least SEE what ideas I have in my head.

That's the thing. With the cuts, I find that regardless of the technical quality, if someone can watch it with that in mind, the experience can be much better- but someone has to have that mindset, that it's primarily an expression of ideas in video form.

Not everyone can sync to it. I used to be pretty heavily involved in the local amateur filmmaking community- and it's a harsh community. In viewing, many times it's hard for most to view (or support) others films or see (or even try to) what others are going for, or.... really can't see past technical hiccups or weaknesses for the ideas.

But- yeah, at the very least, the idea can come out better. Can think of it as animatics for the S2 that never was.

I've hoped/encouraged others who are determined to make their own cuts to TRY the rotoscoping process for that reason. It helps allow one to express other ideas a little better when the footage isn't there.

It gets easier once you get past the learning curve, so that you're not having to trace EACH and every frame. It's easy but the desire has to be there. Once you get one successful (enough) roto, it's hard to let shots go of that trick that could use this/that item to 'tie' a scene in together better.

[Knight]

I always thought that the de-powering scene in both cuts were a pain to edit together and pretty much dismissing it.

But,I gave it some thought and spent time looking at the scene(s)

In short, what I have scripted here is Lester's footage inter-cut with Jor-El's words.



EXT. FORTRESS (LC)


Jor-El V/O: My son. I tried to anticipate your every question...


INT. FORTESS, Lois is in her night gown,walking in.


...this is one I hoped you would not ask.


Superman is stood before (what would have been his mother,replacing her with) Jor-El


Cut to: A profile shot of Superman standing in front Jor-El from the Thau Cut of STM after first night rescue.



Superman: I have to because,she is everything I want
in life.



LC,Superman listens to his father,nods his head. Lois watches.


Jor-El V/O If you will live as one of them,love their kind as one
of them...


Close up of Jor-El's eyes


...then it follows,you must


Close up of Jor-El's mouth



...become one of them.



Superman watches as the crystal chamber rises from the ice infrastructure,(slow this footage down-if need be) Lois looks on. Jor-El continues:


V/O This crystal has harnessed the powers of the
red sun of Krypton. Once exposed to them all your great powers on earth will
disappear forever.


Superman turns to face Jor-El.



Once this is done,there is no going back.
you will feel like an ordinary man,you can
be harmed like an...


Shot of Superman listening to his Father's warning



ordinary man.


Superman goes to walk to the chamber. Turning away...



Jor-El continues...


Think Kal-El. I beg you



Superman:


Father(looped from TDC) I love her.



Superman walks towards the chamber,Lois goes to follow. Steps into the chamber,the door slides shut behind him.



Jor-El's image disappears. Superman Looses his powers.




Shame is,I don't have equipment to cut it together


What d'ya think? Discuss...

[TylerDurden389]

Someone beat you to it lol.

[Knight]

I had seen that before and still wasn't convinced,I wanted Lester's footage completely cutting out Lara with looped dialogue and shots of Brando from Donner's cut.

I think my post worked it out pretty well.

[Jor-L5150]

Oct 17, 2010 18:32:43 GMT -5 TylerDurden389 said:

Someone beat you to it lol.

yeah- i like it incorporating both parents.

[TylerDurden389]

CAM made an even better take on using Supes Mom. She isn't there for the de-powering, but she IS there for the RE-POWERING. When he's reaching out to his father, he sees a vision of his mother too. Works even better if you ask me.

[Jimbo]

My attempt:

[atp]

Oct 3, 2010 18:29:56 GMT -5 TylerDurden389 said:

Hey everyone,

I've gone back and forth with CAM and Booshman a little bit this past week giving them ideas on what they could do to improve their effects for their Superman 2 fan cuts, as well as some new ideas that I don't think anyone has come up with. I'm putting these ideas out publicly because while I'm not sure who else here who has done a fan cut of S2 is experienced with rotoscoping, but seeing as how I'm probably never gonna get around to it (way too busy with school right now), I want you guys to know my ideas not just because I hope maybe someone will give them a try, but also for your opinions regardless.

Ok, first thing's first. The re-powering scene. I don't wanna give away what Booshman has done for this sequence, but for anyone who has been following it and seen the back cover art, you know what it's mainly going to be. With that shot finally completed, it's time to see if more can be added onto it to really complete the scene as a whole.

Now, first I have to go off the beaten path here and mention a radical idea. I know that, for the most part, the scene was shot where Jor-el gives up his spirit to repower Superman. He touches his shoulder, Clark convulses, begins to glow from the inside, is bathed in white light, and then cut to him lying down. However, I've wondered if it would be possible to re-do this scene as it was originally scripted and storyboarded.

We all remember how it was originally planned to have Jor-el shoot laser beams out of his eyes, and Supes gets his power back that way. Well, what if we took the shots of Jor-el's face from the deleted scene in S1 (after Supes' first night), and simply add laser beams coming out of his eyes? Cut to the shot of Clark convulsing, then cut to that far shot from behind where we don't see Reeve's face (because it was a double). This is the shot when he has his arm up, and the crystal face goes over him and passes through the eye.

There are 2 shots of Jor-el that could be used here. The first is the shot of him opening his eyes, and then says "You...enjoyed it?" Just use the first second or 2 of that shot (omitting the dialogue) and uses the shot for whatever. heck, instead of having Jor-el fade away by simply freezing up and fading away as he goes off to the right (as it was done in the Donner Cut), you could have Jor-el shut his eyes, and then fade away by simply reversing the shot.

Or you could use the close-up of Jor-el's face at the end of this deleted scene when he says "If it were not for vanity, I could embrace you in my arms...My son". There is a LONG pause between those 2 sentences. Jor-el is smiling in this shot. This shot could be used here for the re-powering almost perfectly. Not to mention that the effect for his head would be the way it should be since this is a S1 scene.

Another idea, as I've said before, is to re-use and rotoscope the shots from S1 when Eve saves Superman and he flies through the ceiling of Lex's lair. However, the problem is, which shots do you use for the background, and how do you go about finding a "ceiling" for the FOS? Here's what I think could work. For the shot of Superman flying straight up,the shot when he's flying towards the camera (after he says "Stand aside now"), the background plate that could be used here could be the shot of Lex and Eve at the FOS when they are about to approach the control panel. This is the shot where they aren't talking, and are slowly making their way over to the panel. It's the shot right after he asks her "Why didn't you go before we left?" By removing Lex and Eve from this shot, and adding the rotoscoped shot of Superman from S1, the shot could work. Mostly because the angle is ALMOST a birds-eye-view (Though it's more of a 3/4 angle. Nevertheless, the angle is above the ground). Also it would make sense continuity-wise, because that's where Clark is pretty much standing when he sees Jor-el for the last time.

However, since there is no shot of the fortress ceiling, the next shot would be an outer shot of the fortress (the one we've seen a million times. the one they cut to after Supes gets his power back.) Then we could have Superman flying straight up, coming out of the fortress roof. Then cut to a rotscoped shot of Supes flying (use any random unused flying shot from either 2,3,4 or even the KCOP), and make it look like he's flying away from the fortress.

Now, I'm not sure how many of you have seen CAM's work, but he did a nice little effect where he has Supes fly out of the FOS to go and get dinner, instead of simply walking out of frame. I'm not sure which shot this is from, but what could be done is, using a shot of Supes from the side where he flies straight up (maybe the shot of him flying up from S1 when he turns off the power at the power plant), you cold have him fly up with the background shot being either:

1) The shot of Lois in Superman's shirt during the Donner Cut repowering. Just take her out of the shot.

2) The shot of the control panel when Supes is turning on the lights as he's about to talk about the green crystal. Again, simply remove Supes and Lois out of the shot, and also edit it so that the control panel is now "destroyed". Again, add in the shot of Supes flying straight up.

3) The other shot of the control panel when it explodes during Lester's depowering. It's a good close-up of it. Just freeze the frame at the beginning, and make it look destroyed. Then just roto Supes into the shot.

The last BIG idea I've had requires a small change in preference. See, I like using Zod kicking Supes into the statue of liberty, but, what if we had that shot rotoscoped to look like it was happening in the FOS during the big showdown in Lester's version? Then use the shot of Supes flying back from S3 where he hits the wall and passes out. Then cut to the shot of Lex falling down (the one right before Zod says "Did you really think we'd give up our advantage?"). Then cut to Supes coming to his sense (again the shot from S3), and have Zod begin his speech.

Ok, that's all I'm saying for now. Opinions, let's hear 'em.

I think we should have a scene where Zod and the villains go around the world (to rule it) and destroy key monuments.

[TylerDurden389]

CAM has already done this. I really hope he uploads it so you'll see it and stop mentioning it already.

[atp]

Oct 22, 2010 19:41:52 GMT -5 TylerDurden389 said:

CAM has already done this. I really hope he uploads it so you'll see it and stop mentioning it already.

Do you think the Brando footage would have ever been seen without dedicated people "mentioning it" for years?

[TylerDurden389]

Oct 22, 2010 19:41:52 GMT -5 TylerDurden389 said:

Do you think the Brando footage would have ever been seen without dedicated people "mentioning it" for years?

Write your letters to WB. Stop saying the same thing over and over here on the boards. Say something that has meaning or substance and make a CONTRIBUTION to the conversation.

[atp]

Oct 23, 2010 10:16:47 GMT -5 TylerDurden389 said:

Write your letters to WB.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Should we start a campaign or something?

Who is the best person to contact at WB? Is it worthwhile speaking with Mr Thau? Would he be able to create villains?

[TylerDurden389]

Oct 23, 2010 11:50:47 GMT -5 atp said:

That's actually a pretty good idea. Should we start a campaign or something?

Who is the best person to contact at WB? Is it worthwhile speaking with Mr Thau? Would he be able to create villains?

See, I'm not even sure if you're being sarcastic now. Either way, I've seen enough from other fan editors (myself included) that I don't need to write to WB anymore. If they're not gonna re-visit S2 after the new film comes out, then it's their loss. Me on the other hand, I'm doing what I can myself. Who knows, if I do a fairly good job on this, maybe I'll even VISIT WB and show them what I've done just like Selutron did.

I don't wanna give away any details (mostly because you guys have made it clear on this thread that you don't care anymore either way), but some BIG things are coming soon. Not sure when it'll be done, not even sure IF it can be done. But rest assured, you are all going to see a Superman 2 like you've never seen before.

And before you ask ATP, no I won't be hiring Terrance Stamp to come in to record new dialogue. PM CAM and ask him to show you his "Villains Rule the World' scene.

[crazy_asian_man]

I always thought that the de-powering scene in both cuts were a pain to edit together and pretty much dismissing it.

But,I gave it some thought and spent time looking at the scene(s)

In short, what I have scripted here is Lester's footage inter-cut with Jor-El's words.



EXT. FORTRESS (LC)


Jor-El V/O: My son. I tried to anticipate your every question...


INT. FORTESS, Lois is in her night gown,walking in.


...this is one I hoped you would not ask.


Superman is stood before (what would have been his mother,replacing her with) Jor-El


Cut to: A profile shot of Superman standing in front Jor-El from the Thau Cut of STM after first night rescue.



Superman: I have to because,she is everything I want
in life.



LC,Superman listens to his father,nods his head. Lois watches.


Jor-El V/O If you will live as one of them,love their kind as one
of them...


Close up of Jor-El's eyes


...then it follows,you must


Close up of Jor-El's mouth



...become one of them.



Superman watches as the crystal chamber rises from the ice infrastructure,(slow this footage down-if need be) Lois looks on. Jor-El continues:


V/O This crystal has harnessed the powers of the
red sun of Krypton. Once exposed to them all your great powers on earth will
disappear forever.


Superman turns to face Jor-El.



Once this is done,there is no going back.
you will feel like an ordinary man,you can
be harmed like an...


Shot of Superman listening to his Father's warning



ordinary man.


Superman goes to walk to the chamber. Turning away...



Jor-El continues...


Think Kal-El. I beg you



Superman:


Father(looped from TDC) I love her.



Superman walks towards the chamber,Lois goes to follow. Steps into the chamber,the door slides shut behind him.



Jor-El's image disappears. Superman Looses his powers.




Shame is,I don't have equipment to cut it together


What d'ya think? Discuss...

This is going back a bit on the thread- I do like the idea of cutting with ONE parent--- and it's a good 'paper edit'--- but I hate the idea of losing fresh Reeve Donner footage, though--- even though, of course, the scene has a whole different dynamic to it from one version to the other. When Lester swapped out Brando for York, definitely more than a couple of character things got tossed in that scene, in spite of both only being a few minutes long.

*(Which is better? Well.... Have to admit that Donner's version does come across a bit odd.... like Superman is making the choice to become human more as motivated by being able to have an opportunity to stick it to his dad & displays Superman as having a level of exhaustion of helping people, - versus the more 'lovestruck teenager' version in Lester's. In one version, essentially Superman has a buried level of selfishness (which isn't bad per se, definitely makes him more dimensional)--- but in the Lester version, Superman doesn't think with his head, but another organ instead. So, essentially you can have a version of this where Superman is either selfish. (Donner's) Or stupid. (Lester's)*sigh*) ;p

[Knight]

Yea,I think the different versions having different meanings. Which of course is fine.


Dont get me wrong,I absolutely love seeing Chris in his shirt and black pants,such a bold figure. He looked great too. I mused over this for a long time,his performance wasn't matured as it was with Lester.

So,of course I was reluctant to loose that footage. But,I love Brando's dialogue and love more so Chris' performance in Lester's cut. So,I have to have the best from both cuts.

That profile shot from STM is to establish,look Superman is stood before his Father saying ''I have to,because she is everything I want in life'' Then it's as is- cutting to and from the two of them.

So I scripted it out and,I think it works.

[Knight]

...Other ideas:


1) Re-powering scene:



INT: Fortress,dimly lit with green hue.

Clark steps up to the charred debris of the crystal panel.


Clark: Father,I really wish you could hear me,because i need you. See,I ...I failed.


Father!!!!


He lowers his head,kicking the debris. He turns away. The green crystal lights up, illuminating the fortress. Clark turns around and picks up the glowing crystal. He puts it into the controls.

Jor-El's image slowly appears in front of Clark. He looks at his son in silence.


Clark: I failed you,failed myself and all humanity. There's nobody left to help them now...people of the world. Not since I...


Clark lowers his head in shame


Jor-El Look at me Kal-El (from the second time he says this, edited here so he says it once.) You did this of your own free will.


Clark: I,uh...


Jor-El: Now you have returned to me for one last chance to redeem your self ,this too I have anticipated. The Kryptonian prophecy will at last be fulfilled. The son becomes the father,and the father becomes the son. Farewell forever,Kal-El. Remember me,my son.

Jor-El approaches his son,placing his hand on his son's shoulder.


Jor-El : My son.


Clark's reaction. (what I would like here is,perhaps to cut away to an exterior of the fortress. Then,back inside the fortress to the shot of Superman from STM before he flys by the camera)


INT. DP,MOMENTS LATER,NIGHT. etc etc.




2) Clark and Lois.


EXT. Zod walks upon the surface of a lake,a man is sat sipping from a canteen. He looks on incredulously. He throws away the rest of his drink.

(same establishing shot of Niagara Falls,as always)


CUT TO: EXT. Niagra Falls. The Camera pans across to the Honey Moon Hotel. With Clark's V/O,as below.


(the following implies that the famous hotel screen test took place and Lois has been berating Clark,once again off camera. We pick it up here with a line from Clark...)


Clark's V/O: Can't you see what a tragic mistake you almost made by throwing yourself from a window almost thirty stories high?



CUT TO: INT. HOTEL ROOM MOMENTS LATER,


Lois is sat in front of an open fire,drying her hair. Clark is pacing slowly around the room,across from Lois.


Lois: Not only am I loosing my mind,I have lost my comb. Clark could you pass me my comb....


Scene plays out as is.


What do you think,folks?

[crazy_asian_man]

Yea,I think the different versions having different meanings. Which of course is fine.

Dont get me wrong,I absolutely love seeing Chris in his shirt and black pants,such a bold figure. He looked great too. I mused over this for a long time,his performance wasn't matured as it was with Lester.

So,of course I was reluctant to loose that footage. But,I love Brando's dialogue and love more so Chris' performance in Lester's cut. So,I have to have the best from both cuts.

That profile shot from STM is to establish,look Superman is stood before his Father saying ''I have to,because she is everything I want in life'' Then it's as is- cutting to and from the two of them.

So I scripted it out and,I think it works.

I'm VERY glad that Reeve didn't have that funky hairdo for the depowering white shirt/black pants scene as he did for that early STM scene w/Brando.

[TylerDurden389]

I see no reason to lose him shouting for Jor-el. Also, while the idea of him saying his speech TO Jor-el instead of nothing makes more sense, unfortunately he is not LOOKING at Jor-el when he says these things. So it wouldn't work, unfortunately.

[crazy_asian_man]

...Other ideas:


1) Re-powering scene:



INT: Fortress,dimly lit with green hue.

Clark steps up to the charred debris of the crystal panel.


Clark: Father,I really wish you could hear me,because i need you. See,I ...I failed.


He lowers his head,kicking the debris. He turns away. The green crystal lights up, illuminating the fortress. Clark turns around and picks up the glowing crystal. He puts it into the controls.

Jor-El's image slowly appears in front of Clark. He looks at his son in silence.


Clark: I failed you,failed myself and all humanity. There's nobody left to help them now...people of the world. Not since I...


Clark lowers his head in shame


Jor-El Look at me Kal-El (from the second time he says this, edited here so he says it once.) You did this of your own free will.


Clark: I,uh...


Jor-El: Now you have returned to me for one last chance to redeem your self ,this too I have anticipated. The Kryptonian prophecy will at last be fulfilled. The son becomes the father,and the father becomes the son. Farewell forever,Kal-El. Remember me,my son.

Jor-El approaches his son,placing his hand on his son's shoulder.


Jor-El : My son.


Clark's reaction. (what I would like here is,perhaps to cut away to an exterior of the fortress. Then,back inside the fortress to the shot of Superman from STM before he flys by the camera)


INT. DP,MOMENTS LATER,NIGHT. etc etc.




2) Clark and Lois.


EXT. Zod walks upon the surface of a lake,a man is sat sipping from a canteen. He looks on incredulously. He throws away the rest of his drink.

(same establishing shot of Niagara Falls,as always)


CUT TO: EXT. Niagra Falls. The Camera pans across to the Honey Moon Hotel. With Clark's V/O,as below.


(the following implies that the famous hotel screen test took place and Lois has been berating Clark,once again off camera. We pick it up here with a line from Clark...)


Clark's V/O: Can't you see what a tragic mistake you almost made by throwing yourself from a window almost thirty stories high?



CUT TO: INT. HOTEL ROOM MOMENTS LATER,


Lois is sat in front of an open fire,drying her hair. Clark is pacing slowly around the room,across from Lois.


Lois: Not only am I loosing my mind,I have lost my comb. Clark could you pass me my comb....


Scene plays out as is.


What do you think,folks?

I actually did something similiar with the first half--- but... also put in the infamous "FATHUH!!!!" scream by Reeve. Pity that the angles from the Lester/Donner versions aren't what I'd pictured in reading the script from years ago. (I always saw it as a 'Shawshank Redemption' moment of sorts- or a zoom out motion sort of the reverse motion to the zoom-into Reeve when he reaches out to his dad in the 2006 version).

The pink bear scene revision (removing the water jump I take it)... interesting... though the tone shift that results is a little odd, if we're going from the 'hot dogs' scene, where Lois is perky to looking dejected in the Pink Bear scene.... could work, though. Hm.

[Knight]

Oct 23, 2010 20:28:38 GMT -5 TylerDurden389 said:

I see no reason to lose him shouting for Jor-el. Also, while the idea of him saying his speech TO Jor-el instead of nothing makes more sense, unfortunately he is not LOOKING at Jor-el when he says these things. So it wouldn't work, unfortunately.

(that was a typo,I didnt key in the ''Father'' shout)

Yea,I thought of that little snag but,am sure with a cut away or a little looping would fix that,no problem,I like that little speech too much to see it go.

[Knight]

Oct 23, 2010 20:30:38 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

...Other ideas:


1) Re-powering scene:



INT: Fortress,dimly lit with green hue.

Clark steps up to the charred debris of the crystal panel.


Clark: Father,I really wish you could hear me,because i need you. See,I ...I failed. Father!!


He lowers his head,kicking the debris. He turns away. The green crystal lights up, illuminating the fortress. Clark turns around and picks up the glowing crystal. He puts it into the controls.

Jor-El's image slowly appears in front of Clark. He looks at his son in silence.


Clark: I failed you,failed myself and all humanity. There's nobody left to help them now...people of the world. Not since I...


Clark lowers his head in shame


Jor-El Look at me Kal-El (from the second time he says this, edited here so he says it once.) You did this of your own free will.


Clark: I,uh...


Jor-El: Now you have returned to me for one last chance to redeem your self ,this too I have anticipated. The Kryptonian prophecy will at last be fulfilled. The son becomes the father,and the father becomes the son. Farewell forever,Kal-El. Remember me,my son.

Jor-El approaches his son,placing his hand on his son's shoulder.


Jor-El : My son.


Clark's reaction. (what I would like here is,perhaps to cut away to an exterior of the fortress. Then,back inside the fortress to the shot of Superman from STM before he flys by the camera)


INT. DP,MOMENTS LATER,NIGHT. etc etc.




2) Clark and Lois.


EXT. Zod walks upon the surface of a lake,a man is sat sipping from a canteen. He looks on incredulously. He throws away the rest of his drink.

(same establishing shot of Niagara Falls,as always)


CUT TO: EXT. Niagra Falls. The Camera pans across to the Honey Moon Hotel. With Clark's V/O,as below.


(the following implies that the famous hotel screen test took place and Lois has been berating Clark,once again off camera. We pick it up here with a line from Clark...)


Clark's V/O: Can't you see what a tragic mistake you almost made by throwing yourself from a window almost thirty stories high?



CUT TO: INT. HOTEL ROOM MOMENTS LATER,


Lois is sat in front of an open fire,drying her hair. Clark is pacing slowly around the room,across from Lois.


Lois: Not only am I loosing my mind,I have lost my comb. Clark could you pass me my comb....


Scene plays out as is.


What do you think,folks?

I actually did something similiar with the first half--- but... also put in the infamous "FATHUH!!!!" scream by Reeve. Pity that the angles from the Lester/Donner versions aren't what I'd pictured in reading the script from years ago. (I always saw it as a 'Shawshank Redemption' moment of sorts- or a zoom out motion sort of the reverse motion to the zoom-into Reeve when he reaches out to his dad in the 2006 version).

The pink bear scene revision (removing the water jump I take it)... interesting... though the tone shift that results is a little odd, if we're going from the 'hot dogs' scene, where Lois is perky to looking dejected in the Pink Bear scene.... could work, though. Hm.

Yes,gone is the scene were Lois takes away Clark's glasses to clean them. The part where she looks up at him. Also.yes...the waterfall jump has gone too.


So,Lois' (re-newed) motivation for this 'berating' comes from Superman saving the kid from falling etc....


''and...Clark. Clark is not around as usual. Hmmmm''


So the thought has yet again set in,that Clark is indeed Superman and that her suspicions from TDP scene were right.


I love Clark's line,looped over that exterior shot,'Cant you see what a trajic mistake you almost made' etc then moments later Boom!! ''You ARE Superman''.

I like it also that Clark trips over the head because he wasn't thinking straight after yet another pop at him by Lois.