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Post by adam1975 on Dec 2, 2010 12:40:18 GMT -5
At this point I'd be happy just to get a decent blu-ray of the theatrical version I haven't released this draft, as I have more big ideas coming (as discussed earlier). But if anyone wants some side by side screen-shot comparisons I'll post them up. Go for it!! |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Dec 2, 2010 19:10:15 GMT -5
Here ya go.
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Post by Knight on Dec 2, 2010 22:10:27 GMT -5
DP jumping to conclusions.... 1, Sonic Greeting,W/Fall music 'get the picture'... -Chasing Rockets music over the following: 2, Lois jumps from window,looped scream form STM,Lois starts to fall from helicopter. 3, Superman S/breath from SII oil tanker. 4,Lois muffled scream SII w/fall. 5, S/breath as above cont... 6, Lois shouting 'Superman' muffled w/fall. 7, Clark/Superman laser beam looped from w/fall. 8, ...S/breath over Lois scream from STM as the ground opens up music still in background from Chasing Rockets Lois looks up, 'Clark...!!?' 'Lois,you all right?'' looped from (towards) the end of w/fall Scene plays out as usual,music ends upon Lois fainting away into the fruit. That was fun to do!  Thau,take note! |
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Post by Kamdan on Dec 3, 2010 1:48:46 GMT -5
It'd be REALLY cool to see your stuff somehow.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Dec 3, 2010 10:41:37 GMT -5
It'd be REALLY cool to see your stuff somehow. Well like I said, I have some more things coming, so I don't see a point in bothering the guys over at fanedit.org to give them a THIRD submission of the same movie. Rather wait until I've got it all done this time. I've never used AE before, but I have 2 friends who are into film and they're gonna help me out during the winter break. I won't be able to finish it then, but I'll familiarize myself with the program during the spring semester, then go all out during the summer break. So we're looking at a late summer/early fall release. Don't worry though, as I get things done I'll show you guys preview clips. |
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Post by adam1975 on Dec 3, 2010 16:29:41 GMT -5
Yes certainly a lot of difference,its like a light switch going on! |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Dec 9, 2010 19:34:22 GMT -5
Small update:
I recently re-watched my raw video of the end of my repowering scene (I've posted it earlier in this thread) and counted how many frames each shot is, as well as figured out which flying shots of Supes will be used for the new flying shots backgrounds and figured out which b.g plates to use for each S3 Superman shot. For the first shot of him lying there and turning over, I'm gonna have to simply change the sand into snow. Hopefully AE allows color changes that looks real.
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Post by Knight on Dec 9, 2010 20:41:07 GMT -5
Those shots sure do look a lot better,good work.
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Post by Knight on Feb 8, 2011 22:26:07 GMT -5
Just an idea, I was cutting S2 jumping to conclusions in TDP,Lois goes out of the window,falling. Clark runs to window,seeing Lois descending. (cut to) STM Clark (wearing the same wardrobe) jumps out of the widow/changes in Superman,cuts back to Lois falling.
I want to end the scene were Lois looks up at Clark and passes out.
how do I fill in the gap???.....
ideas,anyone? (if at any)
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Feb 8, 2011 23:23:08 GMT -5
No ideas here man lol. One thing to point out is, when Thau made that cgi Lois falling shot, look at the cars on the ground. It's the same background shot for when Supes falls out the window in S1 to change into Superman. Just another thing Thau had to recycle.
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Post by Knight on Feb 9, 2011 4:35:30 GMT -5
yea,thats evident alright. Those two scenes work great together,shame I can't figure out an end.
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Post by matt on Feb 16, 2011 18:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 17, 2011 19:10:19 GMT -5
My own dislike of the time reversal (as it was done in the RDC) was that, unlike STM, there's no emotional payoff- AND undoes other elements in the film that make your head spin trying to figure it out. The STM time reversal also makes no sense, but at least there's that awesome moment of Supes in the clouds, thinking about all the lessons he's learned in his life from both fathers & making a decision. With the RDC- they might as well have recycled that scene, (wouldn't have been crazy about it, but...)- so at least there's some emotional connection to his turning back time on everything. The problem of ending SII alone makes me curious as to what was supposed to be fantastic about Selutron's proposed ending. Maybe Sam Jackson appears at the end and asks Clark about the Avengers initiative?  |
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Post by Knight on Feb 17, 2011 22:49:08 GMT -5
The end of SII is indeed a tough cookie to crack how would Mank and Donner end it?
I'll never be satisfied.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 18, 2011 11:56:18 GMT -5
In thinking about it seriously, in looking back at the documentaries- In a way, Puzo 'ruined' it by having the time reversal in the first place... Once that was put in place- and since much of the personal drama revolves around Superman breaking the rules in these two films- Mank and Donner were pretty much saddled with that & stuck with it. And once it was used for the first film- even if they weren't planning on using it twice.... either you erase Lois memory SOMEHOW or you don't & she goes on remembering it for the sequels. Which one would Donner have chosen? The kiss or remembering? Remembering would have been far more interesting, imo. Would have strayed from the books (at the time), but then sequels wouldn't have to force some way to make Lois' character significant with the memory kiss thingee. (SIV comes to mind.) It's the one of the ONLY things that makes me happy for a reboot. We'll be free of the 'time reversal' continuity glitch. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Feb 19, 2011 1:42:12 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that Donner had also planned on the memory-wipe kiss (or IF he had done it), Superman would've kissed her when he dropped her off at her place, she falls asleep, he puts her in bed, and flies away. Next morning, she doesn't remember. There was much more detail than this, but I can't remember.
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Post by Knight on Feb 19, 2011 14:20:39 GMT -5
That rings a bell actually,Tyler...I have read that someplace too. Interesting.
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Post by Knight on Feb 19, 2011 23:39:11 GMT -5
Anyway...
SII after opening recap credits etc,I start with that opening shot of earth from TDC/shots of the snowy mountains from STM,EXT shot of FOS.
...Then I have used the scene from the Thau Cut of STM when Superman is talking to Jor-El about his powers,serving humanity and keeping his identity secret.
It's a scene that shows how nice they are talking. Superman is all ''yes,Father...thank you,Father'' as opposed to later on in the film when Superman and Jor-El totally disagree with each other when he wishes to loose his powers.
a nice contrast there I quite like.
What do you think? a good way to start II that segues straight to TDC, opening...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 20, 2011 2:43:47 GMT -5
It IS a nice contrast. I remembered that Reeve said in a radio interview that he had six scenes with Brando--- so I was looking forward to seeing more scenes of Supes/Jorel.....
Only to realize- Reeve was probably counting the dubs with Jeff East.
("Who am I?")
Still, if counting:
#1: Young Clark talks to Jorel
#2: Supes appears? (Does this even count? They don't talk)
#3: Supes talks to Jorel after the 'first night out'
#4: Supes in white shirt talks to Jorel about becoming human
#5: Repowering scene- where Jorel scolds him
#6: Jorel appears in person & puts his hand on this shoulder
(Maybe)
Anyhow..... I love the idea of putting that scene in front to contrast his disobedience later on.....but wouldn't most of the dialogue show that this is happening in the wrong time frame?
Curious how this will play out, but I do like the idea of them talking to each other civilly first...
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Post by Knight on Feb 20, 2011 8:05:43 GMT -5
Continuity wise,I think that it works well I don't see any time frame problems at all. Superman saved the world from biting the dust,put Luthor away,he feels good.
...also as a forewarning of things to come too....
''you must still keep your secret identity/your enemies will hurt you by harming those you care for the most'' works well thinking about the villains threatening superman to join them or Lois/millions if necessary will die for his defiance... and not to mention Superman letting slip his powers to Lois and the conflict he faces within.
I love the two contrasting scenes aesthetically as well,Superman in the suit before his dad...then later on in shirt and pants as a man,wanting to loose his powers. Excellent.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Feb 20, 2011 10:09:59 GMT -5
I tried adding a scene like this in, and you guys didn't really care for it. I had edited some of the dialogue to make it seem like they were talking about him turning back time (I added in "I have to, because, she's everything I want in life"). The general consensus among you all here who replied was "Jor-el wouldn't let Supes off the hook that easy". So I'm glad to see a few of you do like this idea. Maybe I'll keep the scene in my cut after all.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 20, 2011 11:05:55 GMT -5
I think the scene can be problematic... I like the idea of having them talk 'properly' (in costume) before Supes talks in his regular clothes to Jorel (which actually subtlely can show a bit of defiance by implying that the proper way to talk to his dad would have been in the Kryptonian costume, rather than earth clothes).... but.... I've always felt that re-addressing the time reversal is tricky. If it's edited & 'so be it'- it could work, but it's sort of what the conversation was leading to & could feel anticlimactic..... but if it's ended with the 'Supes wants a hug' bit- (assuming it wouldn't be used for your version of STM)- then it could still have a point to end that scene. My memory fails me, but if the alternative was that when Jorel says 'so be it', was there a consideration on previous posts to cut right to the missile hitting the zone? (suggesting it's almost a direct consequence?) The transition might be tricky.... but maybe voice over as well over the missile hitting the zone with dialogue from another Brando film talking about the consequences? I never thought about it for mine, as I generally watch the extended version of STM & thought of that scene primarily being important to be in that spot- the weird original hair of Supes does get to me in that scene, though, I have to admit..... |
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Post by Knight on Feb 20, 2011 19:31:38 GMT -5
In my cut of STM I have went for the theatrical with the only inclusion of Superman bullets/fire and ice scene. Yea XK101 frees the villains,Superman doesn't turn the world back.
I like the inclusion of Superman and Jor-El uncut in my edit of SII,at the start as I have stated previously.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 20, 2011 20:56:47 GMT -5
Ah! That would be cool to see- I had considered tackling STM as an edit, too- but not after the giant amount of SII work & actually, it's hard to let go of the magnificent bit with Supes screaming for Lois/ remembering his fathers at the end.
My previous reply- I should have clarified- was actually towards' Tyler's cut. (The tricky part of talking on a thread sometimes forgetting to remember to state which comments are directed to who!) Tyler mentioned putting part of the Supes/Jorel scene up previously, with some creative edits to try to acknowledge that Supes did eventually discuss his turning back time with Jorel.
When the RDC came out, I was half-hoping that they also would have included something like you mentioned- STM with the original ending... it would be curious to view that version and see (assuming that Lois never falls into the hole w/the car to begin with) how well the movie works with the 'cliffhanger'- as originally intended.
On the surface, it feels like it would be missing a huge emotional beat at the end that the 'Superman seeing his father in the clouds' give. But then again- it always was the original intent for the cliffhanger.
Hm....
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Post by Knight on Feb 20, 2011 21:20:28 GMT -5
I can't get away with turning the world back,in STM. Sure,I miss that footage of Superman discovering Lois and the following anguished scream etc...
The whole krypton trail seems pointless without freeing them at the end of the film.
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