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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 26, 2017 14:34:47 GMT -5
Yeah to me Star Trek (well...the first three live action shows) was the best and blending in some kind of message one moral or social commentary in a way that worked. Seems like most of today's writers or show runners don't know how to do that without being heavy handed and like you said preachy. If Star Trek 66 was made today (which i guess we are seeing with Discovery) they'd throw the social commentary right in everyone's faces with righteous anger and tell half the audience how wrong they are wether they are or not even if they are or aren't guilty of something. I feel the best way to make a point of certain issues is not to make a big deal about it. Are far as what's wrong with Marvel Netflix...it's about budget and location. The CW shows shoot in Canada so that money goes farther. Plus it just seems like Marvel and Netflix and ABC got cheap with the budgets. Daredevil and Punisher don't really need big budgets except for the locations and time for choreography but JJ and LK could use more money. Defenders obviously could use more. There was a commentary/feature on '24' years ago when the location changed to New York--- and much of it ended up greenscreen/cgi- to which it was a headscratcher. Was it really cheaper to greenscreen or CGI New York on 24 than shoot on location? Might as well have had Jack Bauer on Tatooine, then.... So- maybe the decision to shoot all the Netflix shows in New York (presumably for real) is killing the production values? In any case- the shows look terrible, which would be more forgiveable if the stories were engaging enough not to matter- but to me, outside of portions on some shows on some seasons there- it's mostly not that gripping.... and look cheap. (As opposed to Legends of Tomorrow, which looks pretty, but has zero engagement) |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 26, 2017 16:30:17 GMT -5
It's more expensive to shoot on location in New York. I'm guessing they shot background stuff then green screened that. But as for the Netflix shows between time and cost the set ups are probably fast and they probably try to get it done as cheaply as possible. Even back in the day look at movies like Superman and Highlander. They did some filming in NYC for the first films but by the third movies they were using Canada (Toronto or Vancouver) to double for NYC.
Legends is the lightest cheesiest of the DCW shows. On one level I appreciate that. If anything I wish they'd cut down more on certain things. I don't miss the constant relashionship drama that's plagued Arrow for years. Sometimes they go for drama/darkness but it's usually more fun oriented than Arrow Flash or even Supergirl because of the premise of time traveling superheroes.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 26, 2017 16:36:25 GMT -5
It's more expensive to shoot on location in New York. I'm guessing they shot background stuff then green screened that. But as for the Netflix shows between time and cost the set ups are probably fast and they probably try to get it done as cheaply as possible. Even back in the day look at movies like Superman and Highlander. They did some filming in NYC for the first films but by the third movies they were using Canada (Toronto or Vancouver) to double for NYC. I'm SO glad that Donner shot a section in the real New York in STM- in looking at it- (especially the tv cut), the real locations add SOOOOO much to the feeling of it being an epic. Bizzarely, when Lester had chances to shoot at real locations (Niagara Falls, that spot where Supes picks up the flowers)- it has a feeling of a tv show. Ug x 1000. Lester was brought in to be mr.cheap and finish it cheaply- he did (arguably), but why make the expensive stuff look cheap as well? I didn't realize until later that some of the footage was licensed for STM (part of the train footage)- but it was done in a way that it wasn't noticeable. Lester could have done the same (if he wanted to) with the army footage in Houston, but all around- cheap and fast choices. Still annoyed decades later. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 26, 2017 16:59:49 GMT -5
You and me both. Shooting in the actual location helps you get immersed in the world.
Part of it wasn't Lesters fault because as others have said recently he was under a time and budget crunch. But it's also true that his stuff wasn't as good looking as Donners because Donner was a different kind of shooter. Donner framed stuff better, the camerawork in his films is better. His Superman stuff looks more cinematic where's Lesters Superman stuff look so more pop arty
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Post by Metallo on Nov 1, 2017 20:47:55 GMT -5
First look at Reign, Supergirl season 3's major villain.  I'm not that impressed. Was hoping they'd do something with some make up to make her look more monstrous. Maybe she'll change. She actually reminds me of an old Roger Corman b movie character called Black Scorpion.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 5, 2017 22:31:32 GMT -5
First look at Reign, Supergirl season 3's major villain. I'm not that impressed. Was hoping they'd do something with some make up to make her look more monstrous. Maybe she'll change. She actually reminds me of an old Roger Corman b movie character called Black Scorpion. I hated the original photos of Supergirl, but am fine with how she looks on the show- Hopefully it's the same situation with this character. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 5, 2017 23:20:10 GMT -5
Hope so. Never had a problem with the early photos of Supergirl the way I did with the first Superman photos. For every great character they pull off we get this.  Or this  My problem with Reign is she looks like a chick in a bad mask whereas in the comics she's clearly alien. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 13, 2017 20:16:22 GMT -5
Lol...so according to tonight's new episode of Supergirl it's confirmed that Superman used to have the red trunks on his suit ten years ago.
Tonight's it's a flashback to Kara and Alex growing up in Midvale. Always nice to see Helen Slater back too.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 13, 2017 20:31:23 GMT -5
Just dropped a Chloe Sullivan/Smallville reference on Supergirl too. Kara even mentioned Chloe's wall of weird. Appropriate since this episode is very Smallvilleesque with a teenaged super powered Kara investigating a murder in a small town. Cool but also kinda awkward with the recent stuff in the news about Allison Mack.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 13, 2017 20:50:11 GMT -5
Chloe emailed Kara back. Wonder if she will ever show up as a character on Supergirl?
Also another superman reference with Martian Manhunter shapeshifting into a female FBI Agent named Noel Neill to talk Kara out of using her powers and revealing her true nature. Played by Erica Durance in human form. I guess it was to get though to Kara by reminding her of her mother. Nice nod to Noell.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 13, 2017 23:25:01 GMT -5
Lol...so according to tonight's new episode of Supergirl it's confirmed that Superman used to have the red trunks on his suit ten years ago. Tonight's it's a flashback to Kara and Alex growing up in Midvale. Always nice to see Helen Slater back too. That's hilarious. I've liked most of the first two seasons of Supergirl- moreso than most of the other superhero CW series. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 14, 2017 8:17:55 GMT -5
I think this was one of if not the best episodes of the season so far. Nice callbacks to Smallville AOS and even SR. It was a pure character building episode for Kara and Alex and left most of the shows other trappings behind.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 20, 2017 17:05:38 GMT -5
Full Crisis on Earth X trailer.
Some shots look pretty flat and tv ish but others look pretty impressive for tv. The stories got me more intrigued than anything. I figured they'd all go to Earth X but it looks like the Reich brings the fight to them on Earth 1.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 22, 2017 19:18:33 GMT -5
 Wow there's a few surprises I wasn't expecting. Looks like Earth X Versions of Metallo and Red Tornado are members of the Reichmen. |
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Post by booshman on Nov 22, 2017 22:29:35 GMT -5
I dropped most of the CW shows recently. Got about 8 from the end of last seasons Arrow, and got so sick of it I didn't want to watch it anymore. I saw 3 from this seasons Flash, and 2 from Supergirl. So many melodramatic plots I just don't care about, I gave up. I have watched 2 of the LoT this season, and they are holding my attention better, but not by much. All that said, I might have to watch the crossover, just to see if they do a better job than the last one. Shame 2 of my most despised characters, Felicity and Cpt Cold, got prominent placement in the trailer. And where is Superman?
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Post by Metallo on Nov 22, 2017 23:16:14 GMT -5
Was mixed on this weeks Supergirl. Like that they introduced a bit of Legion of Superheroes stuff.
I didn't even watch this weeks episode of The Flash. The Thinker just isn't doing for me as a bad guy especially not the season long big bad. Arrows not as good this season as last season. Another not so great big bad and they've brought back the dreaded grind the show to a halt Felicity romance.
I DID enjoy this weeks Legends though. Gorilla Grodd in the jungles of 1967 North Vietnam? That definitely caught my attention. Even snuck in a combo nod to Ghostbusters AND Superman II at the same time! They gave Heatwave a good episode with it too. Not too fond of Damian Dahrk being alive yet again but eh. I'm gonna miss Victor Garber when he leaves.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 23, 2017 0:12:05 GMT -5
Supergirl is probably the one show I'm most interested in, because of how much fun and humanity they inject AND (mostly) embracing rather than shying away from (hola Smallville tv show) the comic book elements.
Pity (on so many levels) about the showrunner situation... from the outside, I think CREATIVELY the best choices are made on Supergirl (the second Berlianti show being the Flash, but only viewed the first two seasons so far).
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Post by Metallo on Nov 23, 2017 7:39:20 GMT -5
As far as Kreisberg...f--- him. Disgusting piece of human garbage if what he's a accused of is true. Not only using people but putting their livelihoods at risk.
Ditto on Supergirl. It blows Smallville away especially with the comic book stuff. Everyone on the show really embraces it especially Benoist. Not only that but it's a step up visually and in terms of production design. The costumes and set design totally outdo what Smallville did. To give Smallville credit I think the Arrowverse learned from Smallville on what to do and what not to do.
Benoist really has made the role her own though. She just might be my favorite version of Supergirl. She's ten times better in the role than Cavill is as Superman. Better actress and just seems to have more range and personality.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 23, 2017 16:15:58 GMT -5
As far as Kreisberg...f--- him. Disgusting piece of human garbage if what he's a accused of is true. Not only using people but putting their livelihoods at risk. Ditto on Supergirl. It blows Smallville away especially with the comic book stuff. Everyone on the show really embraces it especially Benoist. Not only that but it's a step up visually and in terms of production design. The costumes and set design totally outdo what Smallville did. To give Smallville credit I think the Arrowverse learned from Smallville on what to do and what not to do. Benoist really has made the role her own though. She just might be my favorite version of Supergirl. She's ten times better in the role than Cavill is as Superman. Better actress and just seems to have more range and personality. With Kreisberg- I hope the stuff isn't true, but if it ends up with Hollywood correcting things in their workplace all around to make it a safe environment - that's awesome, (and it should not have been this way in the first place, I agree) I'm just concerned about lack of thorough process to make sure whoever is accused of being guilty is really guilty (Not just for this, but for the other cases as well) rather than having the internet be the court. ( I AM glad that there's no news of any bad business on the Next Generation or Star Trek writing staffs, though.) |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 23, 2017 21:19:09 GMT -5
So many people have accused Kreisberg it's hard not to believe them. Wouldn't have expected this from him
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 24, 2017 21:46:56 GMT -5
So many people have accused Kreisberg it's hard not to believe them. Wouldn't have expected this from him If the accusations are true (both here and the other Hwood cases), then it makes me wonder why/how things were able to get this far in a business setting. I guess I've been lucky in past jobs that I haven't heard of these things happening, let alone on such a big scale. I don't know if this will lead to positive changes in the Hwood work environment, but hopefully they do. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 25, 2017 17:28:35 GMT -5
Fear. People were afraid of being ridiculed or losing their jobs or being sued. Big companies didn't want to hurt their bottom line if they didn't have to. Now they have no choice unless they want to risk the bad press. The more people speak up the more other people will feel bold enough to speak up. My only concern is of all this turning into a witch hunt or false accusations from people looking for retribution for something else.
The Ratner stuff is old news but the big shots in Hollywood dismissed it for years.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 25, 2017 18:03:33 GMT -5
Fear. People were afraid of being ridiculed or losing their jobs or being sued. Big companies didn't want to hurt their bottom line if they didn't have to. Now they have no choice unless they want to risk the bad press. The more people speak up the more other people will feel bold enough to speak up. My only concern is of all this turning into a witch hunt or false accusations from people looking for retribution for something else. The Ratner stuff is old news but the big shots in Hollywood dismissed it for years. Right- that's why there's hopefully going to be some sort of check and balances system soon for these.... an emotionally=charged mob rule is never a way to go in any direction imo. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 25, 2017 20:43:32 GMT -5
The Ratner/Ellen Page incident really bothers me. She says producers told her not to make any problems and just say nothing but doesn't give names. I wonder which producers it was. Did Lauren Schuler Donner just stand there and let that greasebag harass and assault this girl and not even tell him to stop? I sure hope not.
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