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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 10:18:22 GMT -5
Reeve didn’t get to show off that “farmboy” side of Clark Kent because his character spent a lot of time in the Fortress of Solitude that brought out his Kryptonian heritage. By the third film, he considered himself a “Metropolis sophisticate” and that still came through when he was in Smallville. We got a bit of that Smallville sense in the fourth in the way he was dressed and acted. I’m from Kansas and Routh doesn’t quite remind me of the “farm boys” I knew. At the convention, he was always fiddling with his long hair getting in his face. My girlfriend was annoyed by this and was suggesting he’d wear a headband or tie to back so that he’s not always brushing it out of his face. It was also the way he always seemed lost in thought and a bit scatter-brained when he was asked questions that helped me see through to why he didn’t have a great presence playing the role. He had Reeve’s look down, but that was just the half of it. It also didn’t work to cover his brown eyes with those godawful contact lenses. I’ve also spent a lot of time in the Midwest and he clearly is a Midwest guy too. Look at all the videos with his family particularly when he first got the Superman gig. They’re all midwestern people. Fiddling with his hair? That seems like a pretty petty compliant. He’s got longish hair. You got long hair and that becomes an issue. He probably didn’t want to look silly wearing a headband. As for Reeve his character spent 12 years in the fortress...AFTER he spent 15 years growing up in Kansas. It still ain’t gonna change his upbringing and the morals he was raised with and any mannerisms or personality he developed in his formative years...which is what his time in Smallville was. The Metropolis sophisticate line was meant to be humorous. Clark in those movies was anything but. That’s why everybody in Perry’s office looked at him like he was nuts when he said it |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 10:24:56 GMT -5
They always seem to be casting Routh to play Superman when he’s too young. A Kingdom Come Superman would be better suited for Gerard Christopher. I know everyone at the Smallville ComicCon who talked to Routh will be pleased, since everyone kept asking him when he’s gonna get another shot at playing Superman. I hope they can give him a decent costume this time around. All they need to do is a Reeve suit with the Kingdom Come symbol. Why would that be an issue? He’s not playing a direct adaptation of the kingdom come Superman. He’s playing a version of Superman that’s probably going to be influenced by the kingdom come Superman. The same way Jackman wasn’t playing old man Logan or Affleck wasn’t playing DKR Batman. They just took some inspiration from those books. That Kingdom Come symbol was more a representation of what Superman had been through at the point in his life than his actual age. For all we know it’s going to be the same with Rouths Superman. Maybe he’s been through heII since the last time we saw him. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -5
Reeve didn’t get to show off that “farmboy” side of Clark Kent because his character spent a lot of time in the Fortress of Solitude that brought out his Kryptonian heritage. By the third film, he considered himself a “Metropolis sophisticate” and that still came through when he was in Smallville. We got a bit of that Smallville sense in the fourth in the way he was dressed and acted. I’m from Kansas and Routh doesn’t quite remind me of the “farm boys” I knew. At the convention, he was always fiddling with his long hair getting in his face. My girlfriend was annoyed by this and was suggesting he’d wear a headband or tie to back so that he’s not always brushing it out of his face. It was also the way he always seemed lost in thought and a bit scatter-brained when he was asked questions that helped me see through to why he didn’t have a great presence playing the role. He had Reeve’s look down, but that was just the half of it. It also didn’t work to cover his brown eyes with those godawful contact lenses. I've met a few (not all that many I admit) creators and actors at comic conventions- and have had different experiences in interacting with them. One of the best easily that comes to mind is Neal Adams--- the man looks you in the eye, has a firm handshake, and genuinely seems happy to interact with you & treats every fan is if they're a long lost friend... On the other hand, I remember as a young man having a really unpleasant experience with George Perez - but with age I give the benefit of the doubt, maybe he was having a bad day, who knows? When I met Brandon Routh with my family, he was great to my sister and my young nephew and was pleasant for the few moments where we took his picture, but not really a firm handshake (which is kind of disappointing coming from someone playing someone who can lift mountains) but we also met him late in the day when the crowds were dying down and I was hoping that when I mentioned how much we enjoyed Superman Returns, that he would be like Neal Adams and add an antedote or share a story.... but, no story. Just a smile.... and an awkward moment to kind of move along. it doesn't come natural for everyone of course - but I was highly spoiled by my Neal Adams experience.... and how reasonable is it to expect everyone to be an extrovert like Neal? At the same time, I remember seeing that REALLY awkward video someone had posted of HOVERING with a videocamera over Brandon Routh at an airport. You could clearly see that Routh was trying to be polite, and the video person didn't say anything and Routh tried to be fine with it, even though I myself felt pain and discomfort watching this videostalker just taping him at close range with no real borders in line.... so, I imagine it's not the first time that Routh has been approached in a pretty awkward way and might be guarded towards that. On the panel that Routh and Dean Cain hosted, Dean seemed much more comfortable as a storyteller and engaging with the fans- but I don't think anything negative of Routh, I just realize that he's probably somewhat guarded (understandable and kind of smart) and maybe a bit more private or understated... but he seems sincere and haven't heard anything negative. In my mind, just not everyone can be comfortable or confident working a room. He might not be Neal Adams, but that's okay imo. As long as he's not a jerk to anyone...  Rouths clearly not the most chill or extroverted guy. He’s a nice guy but he’s a bit awkward. That’s probably what helped get him the role of Superman/Clark if you read the stories of when he first met Singer |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 10:31:43 GMT -5
Looks like Routh just teased wearing this in the crossover.   😲 Time to speculate like crazy. What I think is going on is Routh is playing the Superman Returns Superman over ten years later but he’s going to have elements of the Kingdom Come Superman and Earth 2 Superman since he’s going to be playing a little older next to Tyler Hoechlin’s younger Superman just like in the comic book. They’ve cherry picked like that before like when they showed an older green arrow from 30 years in the future but he looked a lot like the dark knight returns Oliver Queen. Can you share the link of the video this is from? I've been doing searches on youtube with no luck... thanks! Here ya go, CAM Go to 24:50 for the part with Routh. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2019 12:33:58 GMT -5
Can you share the link of the video this is from? I've been doing searches on youtube with no luck... thanks! Here ya go, CAM Go to 24:50 for the part with Routh. Hmm... I thought it was a 'solid' from the producers originally, and that the producers might have done this as a setup- but it seems like an idea Routh planted instead on the spot for the producers to take, based on this video. I do believe that the producers and Routh weren't kidding about WB being very protective of the original suit (which cost bank) and I know from commentaries and interviews over the years that there's no blank check or unchecked access to anything with the tv department and WB... given that, I guess WB must be REALLY happy with the work Berlianti & company are doing to have let them do Superman and Luthor on the small screen.... I just DON'T want Routh in a white Marlon Brando wig as an old Superman or a Superman suit with those awful clasps! |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 12:47:06 GMT -5
I imagine Routh has wanted to do it as soon as this story was being broken but I also imagine Guggenheim and Berlanti have had this idea for a long time. They’re all too familiar with the material not to. I think they were having a bit of fun with the suit stuff at the panel but there’s probably also a bit of truth. There would be multiple suits out there in varying degrees of condition but WB might not want any of them used.
There’s also the problem with those suits being tailored to Rouths body THEN. That was 15 years ago. Even if the suits existed and they could use them it would probably make more sense to make new costumes for Routh especially if they really want that Kingdom Come S on there. As far as it looking like Hoechlins suit I don’t thing you have much to worry about. They’ll want the two of them to look different since it’s a different universe and aesthetics. I’m more curious about if Rouths suit will have the red trunks or not.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2019 12:47:28 GMT -5
I've met a few (not all that many I admit) creators and actors at comic conventions- and have had different experiences in interacting with them. One of the best easily that comes to mind is Neal Adams--- the man looks you in the eye, has a firm handshake, and genuinely seems happy to interact with you & treats every fan is if they're a long lost friend... On the other hand, I remember as a young man having a really unpleasant experience with George Perez - but with age I give the benefit of the doubt, maybe he was having a bad day, who knows? When I met Brandon Routh with my family, he was great to my sister and my young nephew and was pleasant for the few moments where we took his picture, but not really a firm handshake (which is kind of disappointing coming from someone playing someone who can lift mountains) but we also met him late in the day when the crowds were dying down and I was hoping that when I mentioned how much we enjoyed Superman Returns, that he would be like Neal Adams and add an antedote or share a story.... but, no story. Just a smile.... and an awkward moment to kind of move along. it doesn't come natural for everyone of course - but I was highly spoiled by my Neal Adams experience.... and how reasonable is it to expect everyone to be an extrovert like Neal? At the same time, I remember seeing that REALLY awkward video someone had posted of HOVERING with a videocamera over Brandon Routh at an airport. You could clearly see that Routh was trying to be polite, and the video person didn't say anything and Routh tried to be fine with it, even though I myself felt pain and discomfort watching this videostalker just taping him at close range with no real borders in line.... so, I imagine it's not the first time that Routh has been approached in a pretty awkward way and might be guarded towards that. On the panel that Routh and Dean Cain hosted, Dean seemed much more comfortable as a storyteller and engaging with the fans- but I don't think anything negative of Routh, I just realize that he's probably somewhat guarded (understandable and kind of smart) and maybe a bit more private or understated... but he seems sincere and haven't heard anything negative. In my mind, just not everyone can be comfortable or confident working a room. He might not be Neal Adams, but that's okay imo. As long as he's not a jerk to anyone... Rouths clearly not the most chill or extroverted guy. He’s a nice guy but he’s a bit awkward. That’s probably what helped get him the role of Superman/Clark if you read the stories of when he first met Singer The commentary on "Scott Pilgrim" as part of the ensemble, Routh also sounds a little awkward in his own skin. Still- nice guy, just might not be the type of person who easily slips into working crowds and fans.... and a lot of actors aren't necessarily great right off the bat on the convention circuit. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2019 12:48:53 GMT -5
I imagine Routh has wanted to do it as soon as this story was being broken but I also imagine Guggenheim and Berlanti have had this idea for a long time. They’re all too familiar with the material not to. I think they were having a bit of fun with the suit stuff at the panel but there’s probably also a bit of truth. There would be multiple suits out there in varying degrees of condition but WB might not want any of them used. There’s also the problem with those suits being tailored to Rouths body THEN. That was 15 years ago. Even if the suits existed and they could use them it would probably make more sense to make new costumes for Routh especially if they really want that Kingdom Come S on there. As far as it looking like Hoechlins suit I don’t thing you have much to worry about. They’ll want the two of them to look different since it’s a different universe and aesthetics. I’m more curious about if Rouths suit will have the red trunks or not. I certainly hope so! I NEVER liked the Superman without red trunks.... and now Supergirl's new costume will have the same (bleah) look! It ain't superman without the red shorts imo... |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2019 13:14:41 GMT -5
I understand why they changed Benoist costume but even with pants it still looks odd with no red to break up all that blue. Even Hoechlins suit has the red belt. I’m not sure how they could incorporate red into the midsection for her though. Shorts would look kinda odd on her. I might have just given her full blue leggings (instead of the stockings) and put the skirt over that if it was just about staying warm in those cold Vancouver shoots.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 31, 2019 0:26:51 GMT -5
I understand why they changed Benoist costume but even with pants it still looks odd with no red to break up all that blue. Even Hoechlins suit has the red belt. I’m not sure how they could incorporate red into the midsection for her though. Shorts would look kinda odd on her. I might have just given her full blue leggings (instead of the stockings) and put the skirt over that if it was just about staying warm in those cold Vancouver shoots. I hate the whole look.... but if she had to have a costume to stay warmer, I wish her (and Superman's) costume was better designed. I'm just hoping that Routh's Superman will have the trunks and no clasps.... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 1, 2019 12:29:25 GMT -5
I do like the metallic gold belt on her suit. It really pops. I even like the bodysuit. Just not crazy about the cape and the lack of red. They even tried to fix that on the Justice League movie suit in Shazam but that really didn’t work imo. Unless the belt is red there’s no good way to replace what the trunks do color wise.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 5, 2019 22:43:43 GMT -5
I do like the metallic gold belt on her suit. It really pops. I even like the bodysuit. Just not crazy about the cape and the lack of red. They even tried to fix that on the Justice League movie suit in Shazam but that really didn’t work imo. Unless the belt is red there’s no good way to replace what the trunks do color wise. Glad it works for some folks, but personally I think you might as well give her the black leather from "X-men".... but at least it's not the jacket from Smallville... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 6, 2019 13:34:22 GMT -5
Hey she did look pretty good in that black and red nazi uniform but yeah...I think Smallville takes the prize for worst superhero tv costumes...at least for DC. I know they didn’t have much money but the cheap vinyl/hoodie combination a lot of characters wore got old fast.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 6, 2019 15:39:51 GMT -5
Hey she did look pretty good in that black and red nazi uniform but yeah...I think Smallville takes the prize for worst superhero tv costumes...at least for DC. I know they didn’t have much money but the cheap vinyl/hoodie combination a lot of characters wore got old fast. If anything, the hoodie/jacket look takes me out of the show in re-watching... it's amazing that it had to take SO long for costumes to be 'acceptable' in superhero tv shows.... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 6, 2019 21:26:19 GMT -5
I think the problem was most of those Smallville costumes tried a real world casual translation of very stylized flashy superhero suits. They looked like something teens could throw together to look modern and cool but less flamboyant. Thus instead of domino masks we got sunglasses. Instead of spandex and cowls we got vinyl on pullovers and hoodies.
The Arrowverse costumes continued that real world translation part but tried to combine it with more of the comic book flair. You could probably trace their influence back to to those leather X-men suits but more colorful and faithful. The Arrow suit is basically a leather jacket with a hood and leather pants but it looks sleeker and more high end. Same with the Flash suits. Same with most of the Arrowverse suits.
Every era has their direction. After the 89 Batman many suits had that padded rubber look to replicate the comics physiques. The Flash tv show, Captain America, Nightman, The Tick tv show, etc.
After Lois & Clark you saw more costumes like that one that looked comic booky in a more cheap tongue in cheek way. Sometimes tights sometimes with padding. It was the stereotypical Hollywood view of what comics costumes were instead of how we all saw them.
After Blade and X-men we went very leather. Then after Spider-Man we got the textured fabric and raised 3D Logos. In the MCU age I think we are seeing something akin to tactical meets extreme sports which is closer to what they were going for in the Ultimate comics line.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2019 13:34:31 GMT -5
I think the problem was most of those Smallville costumes tried a real world casual translation of very stylized flashy superhero suits. They looked like something teens could throw together to look modern and cool but less flamboyant. Thus instead of domino masks we got sunglasses. Instead of spandex and cowls we got vinyl on pullovers and hoodies. The Arrowverse costumes continued that real world translation part but tried to combine it with more of the comic book flair. You could probably trace their influence back to to those leather X-men suits but more colorful and faithful. The Arrow suit is basically a leather jacket with a hood and leather pants but it looks sleeker and more high end. Same with the Flash suits. Same with most of the Arrowverse suits. Every era has their direction. After the 89 Batman many suits had that padded rubber look to replicate the comics physiques. The Flash tv show, Captain America, Nightman, The Tick tv show, etc. After Lois & Clark you saw more costumes like that one that looked comic booky in a more cheap tongue in cheek way. Sometimes tights sometimes with padding. It was the stereotypical Hollywood view of what comics costumes were instead of how we all saw them. After Blade and X-men we went very leather. Then after Spider-Man we got the textured fabric and raised 3D Logos. In the MCU age I think we are seeing something akin to tactical meets extreme sports which is closer to what they were going for in the Ultimate comics line. Good points- but in looking back, I'd have to say for my tastes, the Smallville look was most 'offensive' to me, followed by the hoodies (REALLY annoyed)--- and while I really would prefer that Marvel try to emulate the Bronze Age of comics, I'm glad that they have enough touchstones in it in their foundation (Captain America- done PERFECTLY, Iron Man BETTER than the comics, Dr. Strange mostly good, Thor 'good enough' - though could have been better) from that age to keep me happy. With the new Marvel phase, I don't know that I'm crazy enough about the new set of characters (The original Captain Marvel had a much more interesting story to adapt, Shanghai is cast for comedy, only Dr. Strange and Black Panther feel right so far...)- to be as excited as I was with the first phase, but am optimistic..... it's just odd that they really seemed to use up the 'A' list of heroes so fast--- but I'm hoping that I'll be satisfied with the New X-men and New FF..... and that they don't feel a need to go SO sideways like the new Spiderman in order to avoid rehashing material. Will see.... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 7, 2019 15:29:11 GMT -5
I think I actually prefer most of the MCU costumes to their comic book counterparts. Especially in a modern context. Those early Iron Man movie suits were my favorite Iron Man suits. Period. I loved Caps “The First Avenger” and “Civil War” costumes. I thought they were great adaptations from page to screen. Saw what they were going for with his Avengers suit (which looks even more Ultimates inspired) but the execution was awful. For the most part I think Marvel Studios has cracked the code for what works for their characters. Thor has always looked great. Only complaint is the helmet isn’t used much.
I think DC on film has mostly overthought the process in recent years. The Arrowverse is hit and miss. When they hit they really hit though.
The good thing about the X-men and FF is Fox never seemed too concerned with staying consistent with or faithful to the source material. We’ve never had a proper Doom so Feige will have no reason to avoid classic elements of the character. Same with the X-men. Even the ones they did well were usually so overused that we didn’t get the others properly explored. It’s wide open to explore Cyclops’s history. We’ve never really gotten an adaptation of the true Phoenix. There are so many classic X-men moments Fox didn’t bother with.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 27, 2019 12:27:25 GMT -5
 Wow. Obviously it’s been heavily photoshopped but if that’s what they’re going for on screen it looks great. Even better than I expected. It still has some elements of the SR suit like the blue and texture but makes the improvements everyone wanted. I’d argue this is easily the best modern Superman suit we’ve ever seen even with the Kingdom Come style S. Welcome back, Superman! |
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Post by Kamdan on Sept 27, 2019 13:27:07 GMT -5
Very impressive. I’m not quite a fan how overtly bulky it makes him, like Levi in Shazam, but with the reputation these shows have on translating comic book outfits to the small screen, they pulled it off. In a perfect world, we’d basically have Reeve’s suit with the stitched in S, but it must be easier to just make it the way they did here and easier to have across his chest in a heroic manner. I’m also quite satisfied with the way his neck line looks with the cape attached and THANK GOD he has a decent haircut for once.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 27, 2019 15:52:00 GMT -5
Routh just posted this on Instagram.  This pic looks less manipulated to me. They’re definitely going for that Alex Ross Superman look and physique. It takes a few bits from the Superman Returns costume but improves on all the design problems (neckline, Shield size and placement, colors) a lot of people had with that suit. I’d argue it’s the best tv Superman suit in nearly 30 years and maybe the best live action Superman suit we’ve had in the 21st century. I definitely prefer it to Hoechlin and Cavill’s costumes even with that Kingdom Come S. Routh was one of the more underrated Supermen and this just makes me want to see him back in the role in a more substantial Superman project. - Edit - here’s a wider/less cropped version of the photo.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 27, 2019 21:47:02 GMT -5
Routh just posted this on Instagram. This pic looks less manipulated to me. They’re definitely going for that Alex Ross Superman look and physique. It takes a few bits from the Superman Returns costume but improves on all the design problems (neckline, Shield size and placement, colors) a lot of people had with that suit. I’d argue it’s the best tv Superman suit in nearly 30 years and maybe the best live action Superman suit we’ve had in the 21st century. I definitely prefer it to Hoechlin and Cavill’s costumes even with that Kingdom Come S. Routh was one of the more underrated Supermen and this just makes me want to see him back in the role in an more substantial Superman project. It looks great- THANK GOD (Zod) that there's no awful clasps on the Cape & looks more along the lines of Reeve/Donner Superman! Now, it's all about the scenes he's in. I HOPE that it is indirectly going to wrapup the Superman Returns' storyline. And hopefully they don't go overboard on aging makeup! |
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Post by atp on Sept 28, 2019 3:38:11 GMT -5
That does look amazing.
He looks more Superman than Cavill ever did
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 28, 2019 15:30:39 GMT -5
On another note, did some searching & was confused as to why Routh & his wife were let go by Legends--- he's made it clear that it wasn't his decision.
I can only imagine it being budget-related.... but, still... he's the lead!
In any case, glad that he's glad to be playing Superman one more time- man, I REALLY hope that they give Routh/his Superman a great episode in Crisis....
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Post by booshman on Sept 29, 2019 2:21:13 GMT -5
He looks really great in that pic. I haven't been in the Berlanti loop for a few seasons but I'll be watching this.
He still looks too young though, haha. 2006 he was too young to play a post Superman 2 Donner-verse Superman and now he looks a bit too youthful to be Kingdom Come Supes. I'd love to see him as a Superman in his Prime with his present physique. Can we send him back to 2006 and re-do Superman Returns?
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Post by Metallo on Sept 29, 2019 9:04:33 GMT -5
He looks really great in that pic. I haven't been in the Berlanti loop for a few seasons but I'll be watching this. He still looks too young though, haha. 2006 he was too young to play a post Superman 2 Donner-verse Superman and now he looks a bit too youthful to be Kingdom Come Supes. I'd love to see him as a Superman in his Prime with his present physique. Can we send him back to 2006 and re-do Superman Returns? I don’t think this is a direct translation of Kingdom Come they’re just taking elements from it much the same way BvS wasn’t a direct translation of Dark Knight Returns. Affleck wasn't old enough for that either but he had been through a lot as a more tenured Batman. That part and some visual elements were taken from the comics while other things weren’t. The Kingdom Come suit and that red and black S shield wasn’t really about his age but to reflect what he’d been through emotionally in the story. The public turned on him because they thought he was too soft on crime and he’d lost Lois and Jimmy. Rouths Superman may have been brought some similarly tough times and suffered some losses since the last time we saw him too. In the COIE story there was also the older Earth 2 Superman. I think Rouths Superman in his crossover will combine elements of the Earth 2 Supes, the Kingdom Come Supes, and the SR Supes. The Kingdom Come elements may have also been added to help differentiate him from Hoechlin and Welling even more by making the three even more distinct from one another. |
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