2 new pics of Brandon Routh in new Superman costume for COIE

[Metallo]

Dec 20, 2019 4:20:44 GMT -5 atp said:

A total reboot with Routh wouldn't "make sense" chronologically. But I don't think people would care.

Audiences today don't obsess over plot holes and continuity the way we might have done in the 80s and 90s. Attention spans are low, and nobody cared that Judi Dench returned as M in Casino Royale, which was a reboot.

SR can always be explained as happening in some weird alternate universe anyway.

I'd love to see the origin story redone properly. STM, but for a modern generation.

It could never be the same, of course, but it doesn't need to be. Casino Royale wasn't Sean Connery's Dr No, but it worked perfectly.

Honestly...just pick up with Routh after Crisis back on his earth. Like you said no one would care but no one would care there either. The kingdom come stuff not only gives them a clean slate take the character in directions he’s never been taken in before but it gives him that emotional weight and relatability people say Superman lacks. It’s like the way Rocky’s lost Adrian WBs Paulie in the last Rocky movie and Creed and it’s the most successful the characters been since Rocky IV because he had to deal with real life personal losses and obstacles.

I’d take this as a chance to tell new stories with Superman and put him in new places and situations rather than just rehashing the status quo.

[crazy_asian_man]

Dec 20, 2019 7:03:28 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Dec 20, 2019 4:20:44 GMT -5 atp said:

A total reboot with Routh wouldn't "make sense" chronologically. But I don't think people would care.

Audiences today don't obsess over plot holes and continuity the way we might have done in the 80s and 90s. Attention spans are low, and nobody cared that Judi Dench returned as M in Casino Royale, which was a reboot.

SR can always be explained as happening in some weird alternate universe anyway.

I'd love to see the origin story redone properly. STM, but for a modern generation.

It could never be the same, of course, but it doesn't need to be. Casino Royale wasn't Sean Connery's Dr No, but it worked perfectly.

Honestly...just pick up with Routh after Crisis back on his earth. Like you said no one would care but no one would care there either. The kingdom come stuff not only gives them a clean slate take the character in directions he’s never been taken in before but it gives him that emotional weight and relatability people say Superman lacks. It’s like the way Rocky’s lost Adrian WBs Paulie in the last Rocky movie and Creed and it’s the most successful the characters been since Rocky IV because he had to deal with real life personal losses and obstacles.

I’d take this as a chance to tell new stories with Superman and put him in new places and situations rather than just rehashing the status quo.

It's not a bad idea if constantly there seems to be too many naysayers to the 'traditional' Superman in Hollywood that feel like Superman & his extended Metropolis reporter family seems too dated to adapt well- (I don't, but apparently even Kevin Smith feels it is).

Routh's positivity and humanity comes across still, even when he didn't have the regular cast around him. Moving forward with a graying Superman might be the way to go- but needs a solid writer-director team with Routh to really make it a big success. I think it could really work.

Imo- send Kevin Feige a consulting check for best way to do Routh/Supes in the movies from this point. And then greenlight it already!

[Metallo]

That’s certainly how I feel. We get something different but we also move forward to a place the characters never really been in live action. We’ve seen him in his early days before he became Superman now maybe we could see him after his heyday as reporter Clark/Superman when he was in his prime. What would Superman be like after fighting that never ending battle for 30 years? I really don’t need to see Superman’s origin again. Not for a while anyway. Hey it worked for Logan. I don’t mean kill Superman off of anything but why not see him in the next phase in his life?

[crazy_asian_man]

Dec 20, 2019 17:29:41 GMT -5 Metallo said:

That’s certainly how I feel. We get something different but we also move forward to a place the characters never really been in live action. We’ve seen him in his early days before he became Superman now maybe we could see him after his heyday as reporter Clark/Superman when he was in his prime. What would Superman be like after fighting that never ending battle for 30 years? I really don’t need to see Superman’s origin again. Not for a while anyway. Hey it worked for Logan. I don’t mean kill Superman off of anything but why not see him in the next phase in his life?

Agreed- plus, if needed, they could also have flashbacks now and then for the 'missing years' between SR and 'the gas attack'- again, if needed.

The main thing is: he looks even better now than perhaps he did then as Superman--- ironic, as most actors feel their 'market value' goes down as they get older--- again, hopefully WB/DC realizes that there's a great window of opportunity here and not let it slip through their hands... again!

[Metallo]

[crazy_asian_man]

Jan 15, 2020 18:57:45 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Really cool... just... while it's neat that they gave Routh this opportunity to 'heal' somewhat- it also reminds me of what a waste it is/will be if WB doesn't use Routh as Superman on the big screen before he gets too old!

The window of time isn't THAT big, WB, move fast while you can!

As for the Superman tv show with that other guy ... meh. Could care less, to be honest.

[Metallo]

I’m very interested now that they have two older sons instead of one infant. Who is the other son? Damian Wayne? Christopher Kent? Either one offers some fascinating story possibilities. There’s also some concept art out there that indicates they’re going to change Hoechlin’s costume.



Hope the do change it but that design still needs some work. They’re trying to incorporate the metal cuffs/wristbands from the DC rebirth suit but in red. Trying to go for a yellow belt but with some red. I’d honestly rather they do a red belt with a gold buckle. People have been trying to solve the problem of losing the red trunks for years and that’s been the best compromise.
Looks like they’re keeping the cape claps but moving them up around his neck instead of on his chest which is a nice compromise to make it look more classic. Glad they have the v shaped boots. Been saying they should do that to the main suit since Elseworlds when the even black suited Superman had the V shaped boots.

[Metallo]

[crazy_asian_man]

Dec 20, 2019 6:56:32 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Dec 20, 2019 0:16:41 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Rouths' interviews echoed much of what you said.
For fans and him, thrilled he got that return (albeit in a tv budget)- but I do wonder if any of the press will wake up WB/DC to give him another opportunity to play Supes either as part of the JL or as part of the Supergirl movie or a solo movie.

If there was any complaints on the SR movie (and we know there was)- most thought Routh casting was great. I do admire that Routh says that under the right take, that he would be willing to come back.
Maybe it's best for him creatively that he wasn't chosen for the Snyder MOS...

I think time has been kind to SR especially when it’s compared to MOS. People got used to what it was trying to do and in comparison it doesn’t look as flawed as it used to. It’s like an average looking girl next to an ugly girl. Looks a lot better in comparison 😉

Plus Routh only got the one chance before. People know that wasn’t fair. At least Cavill got three and could have had four of he’d taken the pay they offered. It’s much easier to feel sorry for Routh because he got screwed far worse.

It'll be interesting to see if ANYTHING happens on the theatrical level with Superman--- or Supergirl at this point.

For WB to give the ok to do a Superman tv series doesn't necessarily limit the possibility of a separate Superman movie.... If so, they wouldn't still be planning separate Flash movies and tv shows- but even if I'd be for it, it does seem bit odd if they do both at the same time.

[Metallo]

We could certainly still see a movie soon (see Smallville and SR) but I think if they’d had any immediate plans for a movie the Superman and Lois tv show never would have happened. Superman was off limits when Supergirl went on the air and that shows what their mindset was and still is on some characters. Look at Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Totally off limits to the tv people. Even Arrow was limited as far as what they could show in relation to green lantern in the series finale.

[Metallo]

Found a gif that perfectly encapsulates why I love Routh as Clark Kent so much. He might be out geeking even Reeve here.


Reeve gave the better performances as Clark but man Routh is really into it.

[crazy_asian_man]

With ROuth in COIE, hopeful that the door opens for him at least in a recurring role for the new Superman series at the very least.

On another note:
Apparently Superman's son died in the attack according to ROuth in COIE (at least before it got rebooted)- a little tidbit in the middle of the interview:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNqSY9pbLWU

[Metallo]

Well...EVERYBODY died in the antimatter wave, CAM. that’s what he’s talking about. Jason and just about everyone else who died during the attacks was brought back to life when the remaining heroes rebirthed the universe.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 13, 2020 11:02:37 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Well...EVERYBODY died in the antimatter wave, CAM. that’s what he’s talking about. Jason and just about everyone else who died during the attacks was brought back to life when the remaining heroes rebirthed the universe.

I took it to mean the joker attack rather than the antimatter wave- but.... given the shot of Routh-Supes in the original 'S' shield at the end, presumably the Joker thing never happened anyhow in the rebooted universe...

[Metallo]

Nah because Marc Guggenheim specifically confirmed that Jason was alive and wasn’t killed in the Planet attack. Why would he be at the Daily Planet anyway and not at school or something? When Earth 96 Superman talks about Jason there’s no hint that he’s dead at that point. When he mentions the people killed he talks about his friends and his wife not his son. There’s also no plaque on his office wall for Jason.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 14, 2020 15:17:54 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Nah because Marc Guggenheim specifically confirmed that Jason was alive and wasn’t killed in the Planet attack. Why would he be at the Daily Planet anyway and not at school or something? When Earth 96 Superman talks about Jason there’s no hint that he’s dead at that point. When he mentions the people killed he talks about his friends and his wife not his son. There’s also no plaque on his office wall for Jason.

Good points.... though if Jason were in the attack, it would have helped put a punctuation point on what happened to him. (If he were alive, why didn't he join Supes on the Waverider if he had powers?)

In any case...
I've noticed myself getting greedy recently on the Routh/Supes appearance and feeling there should have been more.... but then I go to a youtube video of the situation when Supes Returns 2 never happened & go back to realizing how impossible it was for ANY appearance again--- let alone the amount of scenes he got, considering he wasn't a 'regular' so to speak.

Here's hoping the the new Superman series revisits Routh/Supes universe on a semi-regular basis... that would be nice...

[Metallo]

Superman probably wanted to keep him as safe as possible. Being with the heroes and the other paragons would put anyone directly in the anti monitors crosshairs. Better to be an indirect target than a direct one. He did control Harbinger and attack them right on the Waverided after all. I assume Superman may have tried to evacuate his earth (that includes Jason ) but he failed. Not that it would have mattered. If the Anti Monitor succeeded there would be nowhere to go and no place that was safe.

I think we were lucky to get what we got so while I wanted more I totally understand. They probably had to call in a lot of favors to make this happen considering how asinine WB has been with the character embargoes over the years.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 14, 2020 22:20:49 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Superman probably wanted to keep him as safe as possible. Being with the heroes and the other paragons would put anyone directly in the anti monitors crosshairs. Better to be an indirect target than a direct one. He did control Harbinger and attack them right on the Waverided after all. I assume Superman may have tried to evacuate his earth (that includes Jason ) but he failed. Not that it would have mattered. If the Anti Monitor succeeded there would be nowhere to go and no place that was safe.

I think we were lucky to get what we got so while I wanted more I totally understand. They probably had to call in a lot of favors to make this happen considering how asinine WB has been with the character embargoes over the years.

I know and I totally agree...

My greedy side wanted to at least see everything tied up for SR- as it's more or less the unofficial 'ending' of Superman Returns now... much like how I saw "The Rock" as the unofficial ending of the Connery Bond series.

If it is what we get, then I agree it's far more than we should have expected at this point, but.... yeah.... I'll always want more while Routh is still young enough to play him.

[Metallo]

[crazy_asian_man]

Great find!

When Routh is talking normally evn in t-shirt, he still excudes that "Superman" vibe. Glad even with the negatives, that he still acknowledges what a great gift it was for us all that he got a chance to play Superman again.

[Metallo]

I noticed he cut his hair. Looks closer to what it looked like in SR than what he’s been sporting on Legends recently.

[crazy_asian_man]

Apr 4, 2020 11:23:48 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I noticed he cut his hair. Looks closer to what it looked like in SR than what he’s been sporting on Legends recently.

It would be nice to know if he was going to be offered guest spots on the new Superman show, like how Wesley Shipp appeared in guest spots as the alternate universe Flash in "Flash".... but based on how he mentioned he was treated for his exit on Legends..

Doesn't seem likely- but who knows? It would be another gift for all if they did that....

[Metallo]

It just depends on how things pan out. If he’s not busy and if any cold feelings thaw. I’m sure they’d have Ray back if he’s open to it. Superman is more in doubt but they could do some great things.

[crazy_asian_man]

Apr 4, 2020 17:17:16 GMT -5 Metallo said:

It just depends on how things pan out. If he’s not busy and if any cold feelings thaw. I’m sure they’d have Ray back if he’s open to it. Superman is more in doubt but they could do some great things.

Hopefully the bad feelings get smoothed over... while I don't think the Berlianti-verse is perfect, they've provided a lot of GREAT fan moments and overall good series. Totally won over by the Crisis event.

[Metallo]

I think they’ll all probably get over it. Routh seems too well balanced and level headed a person to publicly blow a gasket and burn his bridges.