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Post by crown on Apr 19, 2015 19:10:51 GMT -5
My guess that it will be.
3rd movie will be a full on JLA movie which will tease Doomsday at the end.
4th movie will have Doomsday wipeout the JLA and kill Superman.
5th movie will be the return of Superman.
Anyone think this is a good prediction?
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Post by crown on Apr 19, 2015 6:38:31 GMT -5
WHO IS THIS ZUPERMAN!?!??!?
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Post by crown on Apr 18, 2015 17:44:23 GMT -5
For his grand ending I feel like he simply got lazy and didn't feel like finding the already available clips to really make his "super" ending to Superman part 2.
Let's all post clips of shots of Superman that could be used/adapted to fit his ending.
When Clark leaves the diner he transforms into Superman (wide shot using a double) and then use adapted Superman here at 1:13- 1:14 to have him looking back at the diner in triumph before he flies away in a CGI long shot.
Also when Superman watches the news about all the devastationand questions left in the wake of the battle use the clip here at 1:33-1:35 to show Superman throwing a mini tantrum and getting off the couch to go to the window to think about things.
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Post by crown on Apr 18, 2015 17:34:32 GMT -5
Anyboday have them?
I remember remembering seeing the defeated energy of Nuclear man returning back to the sun at the end of Superman IV. This obviously wasn't the case.
Anything you remember in the Superman movies that simply wasn't real/didn't happen?
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Post by crown on Apr 18, 2015 7:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by crown on Apr 18, 2015 6:48:46 GMT -5
What major changes would SII need? To have Brando visit Clark in his apartment to spin the world back? Clark sees Jor-El over Metropolis and says "uh jeez dad why didn't you restore my powers in the fortress if you could come back? Why did the green crystal stick and a "mysterious light" have to do it?
If a major change was needed then Superman defying his father in STM should have resulted in the explosion of the crystal bank which resulted in depression bty Superman being finally alone on earth and made the decision to become mortal an easier choice.
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Post by crown on Apr 18, 2015 2:17:39 GMT -5
I love the (SPOILERS?) white eyes on the Batman costume. They never looked right in the Dark Knight.
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Post by crown on Apr 18, 2015 2:15:35 GMT -5
Salkinds were first and foremost businessmen. If Brando scenes and etc would've been better than sliced bread - they would've remained. Richard Lester did not decide everything for SII. If it was made the way it was it's because it worked best. And it does. One year or thirty years later is too late to remake the same movie with same actors - just to change tone. Fans want cgi, hidden footage from area 51 and I don't know what. Won't happen and if it did - prepare to be sorry. Just about ALL movies have alternate takes - that's because they do more than one take and use the best. The more money, the more time = the more takes. SII can be seen in 1001 different ways. A the end - the official Richard Lester cut will remain the best.
Gotta 100% agree with this.
When I first saw SupesII the emotional build up of when "beat up" Clark finds and picks up the green crystal in the FOS--and then that very quick cut away to NON staring at those ball bearings in the White House actually worked in the sense that I felt that we(as an audience) were not 100% sure if Supes had succeeded or not.
That was actually very clever editing.
Now I was only 7 at the time so maybe I was not clever or mature enough to comprehend that yeah Supes is gonna get his powers back!
Maybe an older person would have seen it differently at the time.
But I think that from the moment of that superb Reeve stare at the green crystal to the few minutes with Lex and the villains at the white house to the villains then arriving and trashing the DP the audience was held in a state of suspense(when and how and if Supes is coming back)---also the audience was getting well and truly riled up that the villains have been have been marching on un-opposed for the best part of an hour in the flick by this point--it is why people cheered and clapped when Supes flies onto the DP pole("general--would you care to step outside!")---basically audience relief that yes-he has got his powers back and he can finally take on these 3 seemingly unstoppable characters.
I think as a first time viewing experience-it worked perfectly--and in my opinion better than say when Tobey Maguire's Peter re-discovers his powers in Spidy 2 in 2004.--but then I was 30 when I saw that one ---had I seen Spidey 2 as a 7 year old maybe I would have interpreted it in the same manner as Supes II.
My opinion of course
THIS However, I think that a properly acted edited and scored Brando repower scene would have helped the film immeasurably. The Salkinds (correctly) knew that because STM was a hit they didn't need Brando and they didn't need vagina. Unfortunately this was a major blow that the series never recovered from.. the SIII and SIV.
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Post by crown on Apr 17, 2015 19:30:41 GMT -5
They should cut out Superman's first night out after the chopper rescue.. it's just random booty Superman hijinks which takes away from the core love story.
The flying sequence shouldn't be a half step either.... they should either have both Lois and Superman singing or cut it entirely.. no "poem talking" crap. On second thought just cut the sequence all together... all you need is Teschmacher holding up the "I Spent the Night With Superman" paper to get the point across.
Also cut Superman's scenes in Lex's Lair... it's hopelessly campy to have Superman interact with Lex when he could simply throw him into outerspace in a second.
Also cut the Superman saves random booty things in California.... more random booty Superman feats that no one is surprised or cares about.
And cut the sequence of Lois dying and Superman turning the world back.... too morbid and deus ex machines suck.
Finally nix when Superman drops Lex off in jail.... it goes against due process of law.
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Post by crown on Apr 16, 2015 13:01:41 GMT -5
he had superman vision in that scene to because he could instantaneously read the date on that penny he picked out.
Also I know this is pie in the sky thinking but is there a way we could take the magic kiss scene and use alternate takes of super pretty Donner Lois to composite over rat lois?
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Post by crown on Apr 15, 2015 21:00:42 GMT -5
fan editing's easy as frack if you're just rearranging pre-cut footage instead of cobbling together raw dailies to make a scene from scratch which is what real editors do.
I'm trying to get my fan cut on youtube because I think you guys will like it the best.. although it's 6MB and youtube only let's me upload 2MB at a time. Trying to find out how to load in increments,
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Post by crown on Apr 14, 2015 14:05:49 GMT -5
Woulda been funny if Zod bursted in the office Kool-Aid man style. Clark and Lois just stare at him blankly and Zod slowly backs away in shame.
Also did anyone assume that the DP magic kiss scene occurred at night time? I still see the scene today and picture it at night even thought Clark mentions it's 9AM. Probably because so many of the previous scenes were at night and we don't get an establishing day shot.
It's funny how a child's mind works though. When I first saw the SIII slapstick intro I thought it was awesome that I was seeing the streets of Metropolis after the Zod battle and had assumed that the road marker guy was fixing the street that was damaged after the battle.
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Post by crown on Apr 13, 2015 19:19:08 GMT -5
I have my whole cut load on final cut pro... I'll try to get a few clips uploaded to youtube and post links.
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Post by crown on Apr 13, 2015 15:18:13 GMT -5
I actually did a villains rule the world scene in my fan cut.... used world destroying footage and epic trailer theme with Zod's speech. I also used music from gladiator during the repower scene which REALLY works well. Anyone interested in seeing it?
Also I respect Selutron but I'm happy his cut wasn't made... his ending alone would have ruined SII.
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Post by crown on Apr 13, 2015 2:59:10 GMT -5
But Clark should have spun around really fast and turned into Superman right before kissing Lois because everyone knows only Superman should kiss Lois lol.
Also you could just end the scene with them kissing and Perry looking at them perplexed (taken from the world turn scene) like a fan did way back when if there's too much of a problem with the amnesia kiss.
Also does anyone think the new Donner footage ruined SII? There's so many edits out there I can't even enjoy SII anymore. Sometimes I wish we just had the Lester cut and the Donner footage remained a beautifully tragic dream that never was.
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Post by crown on Apr 13, 2015 0:23:47 GMT -5
The execution was perfect. If you can get past rat-Lois it's a really beautiful scene. Especially the exchange "Lois I don't know what to say." "Well just say you love me."
If we had had Donner's super-pretty Lois in that scene it woulda been THE BEST. -sigh-
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Post by crown on Apr 12, 2015 18:52:43 GMT -5
I think any objective viewer of SII would realize that the best ending is the super kiss. It's really no more out of the blue than turning the world back and has just as much emotional depth to it.
In fact I'd say more people have problems with turning the world back than the amnesia kiss.
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Post by crown on Apr 12, 2015 3:19:48 GMT -5
So Jor-El sacrifices himself to turn back time---to before he died---- so he stays alive then???...
And how the heck does Sel think that there is so much unused Superman footage to plug the (many) gaps in this sequence? Is there really a lot of close ups of Superman looking sad? Maybe he'd have to use Routh for those inserts since he always looked sad lol.
I just wish this sequence had at least been completed. I had no idea it would be so rough.
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Post by crown on Apr 11, 2015 22:22:30 GMT -5
ATP is right. It's just another time reversal this time given emotional weight. Problem is still that we had the same thing in STM. I don't see what is wrong with a Donner cut that ends with Supes carrying the flag to the white house... it's just a 30 second Lester shot and we HEAR Superman say he was wrong and learnt his lesson.
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Post by crown on Apr 3, 2015 23:14:00 GMT -5
Yeah but SR actually had a Passion scene with Superman getting physically tortured before falling to Earth in a crucifix pose before "rising" from his tomb in the hospital.
The writers of MOS said that the biggest mistake in SR was making Superman a lamb when he should be a lion. They went a bit too far (even much too far) in MOS but it's still better than SR.
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Post by crown on Mar 18, 2015 15:14:39 GMT -5
Yes, definitely agree with this. It gives a different perspective when you remember that STM and S2 are one long story. So the ending of STM is not really and "ending" but is just the middle of the story. So what is the true ending of the saga? Didn't a man named Selutron make a proper ending?
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Post by crown on Mar 17, 2015 15:03:03 GMT -5
But in viewing STM and SII- (even though altered by Lester)- I could see how Donner & Mank's juggling of different tones would have come together perfectly by the end of SII.... the darkness of the criminals with Lex's ridiculousness with Supes/Lois' romantic comedy. This is 1000% true. Evryone who says STM didn't have a real threat in Lex and was too lovely dove with Lois and had no action in it needs to understand what Donner was going to do with Zod and Co. in SII. Just look at the moon and white house scenes back to back (nixing the retarded East Houston crap) and you'll see how creepy and evil the two part saga would have ended up being. Also the best bit of the Donner cut is the restoration of the Fortress confrontation... Zod seems so evil here especially Ursa (love that we finally got to see her initial grabbing and strangling of Lois) and even Non is badass throwing down Supes like a rag doll. If only we had more Donner villain footage... like the Ursa screen-test.
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Post by crown on Mar 17, 2015 6:48:55 GMT -5
Better than the product placement Canon nearly put into SIV:
I'd tell you who I'D write a letter to that WOULD do some good!
Who Superman?
No Santa Claus!
Santa Claus the subject of our newest exhibit..
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Post by crown on Mar 17, 2015 3:49:08 GMT -5
Yeah Donner's SII was only 50% complete. I don't care that 70% of the script was shot... on the screen it's clear that Donner only had 1/2 the film.
What I wouldn't do to go into an alternate reality to see what Donner's SII could have been.. a few tantalizing glimpses in 06 was all we got.
I agree there is nothing so epic as watching STM from beginning to end.
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Post by crown on Mar 17, 2015 3:44:42 GMT -5
I saw in the news that Russia had nukes on alert during the Crimea crisis. Are we reliving the 1980s again? Look I know you're upset by the crisis.... but the best thing we can do is to try to think positively! Now is there anything we can do? Doesn't anyone have a suggestion?
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